Getting Truck / Authority Beware - The Ship Has Sailed

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Midwest Trucker, Oct 18, 2018.

  1. Midwest Trucker

    Midwest Trucker Road Train Member

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    I think what you call a driver surplus is what I call a truck surplus.

    What you are talking about is how many people in this country at any given time are capable of owning/driving or driving a truck. So people that are sitting out of the trucking industry flood back in and buy trucks. Or guys that always wanted to buy a truck instead of be a driver for another company do so. All this adds to capacity.

    What I’m talking about is what the difficulty level is to hire a driver. All of this hidden or unleashed capacity is not interested in being a driver only. But yeah, when times are good they show up and add to the saturation of trucks. The driver shortage is still real though for “drivers only”.

    Not sure if that makes sense the way I put it.lol
     
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  3. TallJoe

    TallJoe Road Train Member

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    If that's the case, let's get rid of election since it hurts us every 4 years. Let the Emperor rule for some longer.:eek::D:D:eek::confused:

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  4. 8thnote

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    One of our biggest direct customers (ships out of Chattanooga market to midwest, NYC, and S FL) also has a contract with Coyote. The last 4 weeks they have been giving most of their freight to Coyote to cover. When we asked that what the deal was (we have an On Time Delivery rate of 97% over the last year), we were told that they were willing to risk the inevitable service failures because Coyote has been covering the freight on the spot market for 25-30% less than our contract rate (which is not astronomical).
     
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  5. Midwest Trucker

    Midwest Trucker Road Train Member

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    I know exactly what you are saying and agree. The thing is, it doesn’t matter what indicator it is your looking at. It’s the change to one way or the other of that particular indicator. So people that say brokers posting 50 of the same load over and over are skewing results, that doesn’t matter, because it’s ALWAYS been like that. So the overall trend still holds meaning.

    Keep doing you Joe, your gonna be just fine.
     
  6. Midnightrider909

    Midnightrider909 Road Train Member

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    So we have a surplus of capacity while also having a driver shortage? Trucks still don’t drive themselves so I have a hard time believing those conditions could exist simultaneously. If we had a driver shortage pay, benefits, and working conditions would be much better. It’s no surprise that most drivers want to get their own trucks and the main reason is because they have been underpaid and overworked and treated like crap. All these people moving from company driver to owner operator does not increase capacity, it just changes the ownership of that capacity.
     
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  7. Midwest Trucker

    Midwest Trucker Road Train Member

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    Except for how many new threads per week are started here from guys with little to no experience. Or used to drive back in the day. All hot to buy a truck and jump in. For every 1 new thread the last year there is probably 1000 guys just like it across the country.

    So yes, drivers becoming owners, existing companies adding trucks, makes for a “driver shortage” from an ease of hiring standpoint.
     
  8. HopeOverMope

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    Idk but from time to time I’ll check all equipment on J.B. Hunt 360 and a lot of these van loads are equal to higher paid than flats! Dog gone lol... I’ve seen some of the most disrespectful flat bed rates lately from the likes of dsv, and a few others. I think one was a full load of loaded cable reals from the Tulsa area to the Houston area, about 550 miles offer rate was like $600. Called on another out of midland to Oklahoma, 44klbs pipe, need dunnage and padded 4ft pipe stakes, 450 miles paying $500 LOL... jeeeez I tell ya... then once I tell them the rate, all the sudden I’m the rude one hmmmMm
     
  9. zmster2033

    zmster2033 Light Load Member

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    This has always been the case in my experience as well, although I never understood that. Are shippers just nervous on potential laws/changes that could be implemented based on election results? If so, I would think there would be a huge push to get the product out before something were to happen.
     
  10. Misesian

    Misesian Road Train Member

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    I haven’t noticed any difference. I run AR to the Northeast and SouthEast, to Midwest, and back to AR. General reefer freight, nothing fancy. I’m still running around 22k a month in revenue and 9800-11000 total miles a month. My average rate for the past 3 months is 2.10 a mile on all miles.
    Running general freight, you aren’t going to break the bank like some people claim. At my current level, I’m doing very well. I focus on efficiency, newer equipment, and driving down maintenance cost and time with my specs. I’m able to put back 2800-3200 a month after all expenses, including my pay. My goal is to be the cheapest carrier I can be and still maintain my profit level. All the brokers and shippers care about is price. Whoever can provide the cheapest price and operate at the greatest level of profit wins.
    Even if the market tightens up throughout next year, it will still end up at a higher equilibrium than previous years. You have the boom and bust still but the overall market is slowly climbing in favor of carriers and owner operators.
     
  11. Midwest Trucker

    Midwest Trucker Road Train Member

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    Thank you for your feedback. On first glance I would say you have been cutting yourself short on the rates. However, I’m not here to judge and I appreciate you sharing.

    The guys running for the highest rates will get “fired” first so to speak. While guys running for more reasonable rates to the broker or shipper will keep seeing the rate cons fly in. They won’t say anything to you because they are profiting well off your work. I can’t afford to run for what you can because my overhead expenses are much higher. So I’m always pushing the boundaries as far as one can.

    The market is forcing me to be more “reasonable” while if I was in your position I’d try to go outside the box a little and pump your all miles up to 2.30 or higher. An extra 2000+ per month profit would probably suit you just fine. :]
     
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