hauling doubles and triples

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  1. dalejr8fan

    dalejr8fan Light Load Member

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    hey everyone
    my question is how much extra money can you earn by hauling doubles and triples as compared to a single trailer. and is it a big pain to haul them. i know there is more involved with doubles and triples as far as p.t.i. and drop and hook. any advice would be helpful. thanks to all who reply. be safe out there.
     
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  3. pro1driver

    pro1driver Heavy Load Member

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    it depends on who you work for. i worked for a company that if we pulled "pups" (28' doubles) we got a whopping 1.5¢ extra per mile, and a total of $15.00 to set them up, and break them down ($7.50 for a set-up, and $7.50 to breakdown). needless to say, i tried my very best to avoid pulling them. yes, everything is either "doubled" or "tripled", and the agravation just isn't worth it. you need to always make sure the heaviest trailer is the lead, then the tail trailer needs to be the lightest. you need NOT to make sudden steering wheel movements, and you need NOT to always be looking in your mirror to check on the tail trailer and how its tracking. if you did, then you would be constantly over correcting your steering.

    to me, i say pulling doubles or triples ain't worth it. oh yeah, you can get hurt easier too as you have to push or pull the "dolly" or "boggie" into place. sometimes you need your tractor for this, sometimes you get the joy and pleasure of using your muscles for this.
     
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  4. dalejr8fan

    dalejr8fan Light Load Member

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    thanks for the response pro1driver. what you said is kind of what i thought. sounds like a royal pain in the ### for the little amount of money that comes with it. again i do thank you for clearing that up for me and be safe out there.
     
  5. wallbanger

    wallbanger "Enemy of showers everywhere"

    Only thing is you go and work for an LTL co., and odds are good that you will end up hauling 'em.
     
  6. west11

    west11 Bobtail Member

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    After 2 weeks of company training, I pulled doubles for six years.

    Didn't get paid anymore for it, but it was either that or reefer.
    Got paid $12.50 to break/ $70 to load/unload both trailers.

    Doubles are a nuisance after a while, but they kept me active - I had forearms like Popeye from cranking down landing gear.

    Learn to back the con-gear with the tractor. They're (the con-gear) not to hard to push around manually if you have to, as long as it's not an uphill, gravel slope. If it's on a smooth paved lot, you can push it with one hand.

    One more set of brakes. 4 more tires of grip. I always thought they handled better than semis in high winds, but that's debatable.

    Don't turn to tight or the trailers will touch. Be careful where you park because you can't back up very far (some guys can, but it's rare).

    Should of just found a good semi-trailer carrier, but we eventually got some 53-footers in the fleet, so life changed a little.

    Seemed to get lighter, but cubed-out loads. Lots of foam and bottles and plastic. Very rarely had to worry about weight. But maybe that was just the accounts we had.
     
  7. pro1driver

    pro1driver Heavy Load Member

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    just a "quick point", some "boggies" or "dollies" have 2 axles (8 tires). these are of course much heavier. the "boggies" or "dollies" (which ever your company calls them) i used to have to set-up were the single axle type (4 tires). some were "counter balanced" by a "spare tire" mounted under them, some had a landing gear which had a tiny wheel...........
     
  8. west11

    west11 Bobtail Member

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    Excellent point Pro1driver - I drove the standard set, 2 pups and a dolly.

    There are 2-axle bogies that I seriously doubt you could handle with 'one hand'. We had some on our heavy-haul flatbed side in a 40-20 configuration(?).

    And yes, some dollies have cranks and a little steel wheel, these in my opinion were much harder to handle and push manually than the type balanced with the spare tire. You could literally lift the tongue with one finger.

    Also, on a safety note, if a dolly should run away from you, I believe some of them have a dump valve that will set the brakes, however when you do this, the dolly stops suddenly, the tongue flies up, catches you under the chin, and you're on workman's comp with a new set of teeth. I never saw it happen, but always heard about it. If I ever thought a dolly was going to get away from me, I laid out a bunch of wedges or rocks to keep it from going to haywire before I even tried to move it, or I moved it with the tractor.
     
  9. MACK E-6

    MACK E-6 Moderator Staff Member

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    Not all of the LTL's use doubles. The good ones do, though. It's never mandatory unless you want to run linehaul.

    I do too.

    First you have to have a pintle hook on the tractor. Great Dane dollies are balanced well but are very heavy. You are not pushing one of those with one hand.

    The extra set of brakes help, but a set will pull harder. A set of two 28's empty weighs about 7000 lbs more than an empty 48'.

    You can bend 90 degrees and your trailers won't touch. Backwards, the farthest you'll go is about 20' before you truck looks like a derailed freight train.

    LTL's run the sets because the straight wagons would kill them in the dock time.

    Here is an example of the benefits of running sets. I did a short linehaul meet after I got done my peddle run one day last week. When I got back in, my front trailer was headed right back out to Manchester NH, and the back was headed back out to Boston. Both of those trailers were 2 other drivers' lead trailers, so they could take those trailers hook up and go. If that freight were on a 48', they would have had to unload it and load the other driver's freight on another trailer. This saves dock time.
     
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  10. GasHauler

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    I ran trips for 6 months waiting for my good job. It was a cheap LTL company out of Las Vegas NV. I would sometimes get the loop. I'd start at 10pm from Las Vegas go to Beatty drop and pick up an empty then to Tonopah do the same then on to Reno. I'd go sleep in the casino hotel then start at 10 pm again but this time to Salt Lake City. I'd have two drops on the way then into a motel in Salt Lake. Then start at 10pm again for Las Vegas with a drop in Ely NV. I'd start on sunday night get back wednesday morning then back out that night and back saturday morning. I got paid 27½¢ a mile ( I told you it was cheap) and that was in 1990. It looks good on a re'sume but other than that I would never do it again unless it was drop the entire set and let the yard worker break the set up. Moving the con gears can be dangerous. But In bad weather like snow I did have more axles to brake. If your pay is not the top, I'd skip trips and stay with just a semi. But some companies run doubles so it all boils down to pay and benefits. When I was out there making almost nothing UPS was making $21 an hour, and the union companies where at 43¢ a mile. I then got the call to go haul gasoline at ARCO and made more money in two days than making the loop twice. So look at the pay and benefits, if it's not high do something else and save your back.
     
  11. dalejr8fan

    dalejr8fan Light Load Member

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    thanks for all the great information. i think i will stay away from hauling doubles and triples for the time being. i will be haulin reefers so i will see how i like that then make my decision. thanks again.
     
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