Hos personal conveyance "PC" time

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  1. JOEsixPACK

    JOEsixPACK Bobtail Member

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    Does anyone know how this works? I have been told that we can use it for traveling to and from work bobtailing to get a trailer and it doesn't count against our 11 hrs of drive time but only on the on duty time.
     
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  3. ZVar

    ZVar Road Train Member

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    There are no laws really regarding pc, so it's 100% up to whoever is looking at your logs. Be it in an audit, or scales, or roadside, or whatever.
    That being said, there is guidance. It's as follows.
    Must be unladen (there is debate on empty trailers, vs. bobtail.
    Cannot break an oos order
    to/from home and normal work reporting location (terminal)
    to/from hotel and restaurant in the area.
    Must not be advancing a load
    Must not be doing any work for the motor carrier.

    If you are dispatched from home to get the trailer, it's not pc. On the other hand, if you drop the trailer in the yard, bobtail home and come back to the yard, that can be off duty. In a nutshell, it's used so the driver can go do something non-work related and not be tied down to wherever he stopped for the night.
     
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    HotH2o Road Train Member

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    supersnackbar Road Train Member

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    Most companies say that you need to return to the point at which you started PC...as in, leave the yard bobtail to the store for weekly groceries then back to the yard...or bobtail home for hometime then return to the yard for duty. Some say you can PC home, but, like @ZVar said, if they dispatch you from home to start working, then it is no longer PC time at that point. My company has a 50 mile per day counter for PC miles. And a driver can only exceed that with authorization (some drivers bobtail home, and they live more than 50 miles from the yard)
     
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  6. gravdigr

    gravdigr Road Train Member

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    Think about it this way, for o/o or company driver. You cannot work while off duty driving. The general rule that when you off duty drive you must start and end it at the same place is a good rule to follow. But there are exceptions. Example. On my way home I'm 10 miles away and my engine derates. I make it to my parking spot and call the shop. They send a tow truck and have the truck, minus trailer, towed 50 miles to the nearest peterbilt shop. 2 days later they call and tell me I can pick it up. My ol lady drives me to the shop where I pick up my truck and bobtail it back home, where the trailer is. Technically that should be logged as on duty driving as I am doing work for the company transporting equipment from a shop.

    I generally off duty drive for 2 reasons. I'm on a 34 hour break and can drop my trailer wherever I am parked, run to the store or a restaurant or whatever, then go back to my trailer and hook back up. Or, when I go home I park my traialer on a friends property about 5 miles from my house. Then I off duty drive home and park the bobtail in my driveway. When I go back out I off duty drive back to my trailer then do my pre trip and log as normal.
     
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  7. Mark Kling

    Mark Kling Technology Contributor

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    Regulations Section

    Question 26: If a driver is permitted to use a Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV) for personal reasons, how must the driving time be recorded?

    Guidance:

    a driver is relieved from work and all responsibility for performing work, time spent traveling from a driver’s home to his/her terminal (normal work reporting location), or from a driver’s terminal to his/her home, may be considered off-duty time. Similarly, time spent traveling short distances from a driver’s en route lodgings (such as en route terminals or motels) to restaurants in the vicinity of such lodgings may be considered off-duty time. The type of conveyance used from the terminal to the driver’s home, from the driver’s home to the terminal, or to restaurants in the vicinity of en route lodgings would not alter the situation unless the vehicle is laden. A driver may not operate a laden CMV as a personal conveyance. The driver who uses a motor carrier’s Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV) for transportation home, and is subsequently called by the employing carrier and is then dispatched from home, would be on-duty from the time the driver leaves home.

    A driver placed out of service for exceeding the requirements of the hours of service regulations may not drive a Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV) to any location to obtain rest.
     
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  8. LilBudyWizer

    LilBudyWizer Light Load Member

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    It doesn't count as on-duty, it's off-duty driving. It's the same as being off-duty as far as your clocks are concerned, but not to a state trooper.
     
  9. JOEsixPACK

    JOEsixPACK Bobtail Member

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    So what is it to a state trooper?
     
  10. 25(2)+2

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    If a LEO believes you are violating an enforceable statute, you may be cited.

    Even the guideance (guidelines) given are often in conflict (ambiguous).

    Like the exceptions for exempt vehicles.
     
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  11. ZVar

    ZVar Road Train Member

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    Pretty much this....
    Use PC as little as possible, and if you do use it make 100% sure it's personal. No, running from an unload to a truck stop may not be seen as personal by some LEO's. We have at least one poster in here that is a scalemaster, and he will only go by the guidance, which I gave above. No variations. On the other hand, there have been posters here that said they were let go without comment on a 600 mile PC. So yea, in no hurry to test the limits until the FMCSA comes out with actual rules regarding it.
     
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