Hothsot Truck and Trailer weights?!?

Discussion in 'Expediter and Hot Shot Trucking Forum' started by SThomas, Oct 17, 2019.

  1. SThomas

    SThomas Bobtail Member

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    I have done a lot of reading on the GVWR, GCVWR, GVW, etc... It only seems to get more confusing and create more questions the deeper I go.

    The truck I wish to run has a GVWR of #12,000, the trailer has a GVWR of #15,900 but I was told I could derate it to #14,000, that would give me the #26,000 I need to be under the #26,001 on all the GVWR stickers.

    The Question is in the actual weights...
    The Truck's curb weight is #7600 PLUS the curb weight of the trailer at #5800 gives me a TOTAL combined weight of #13,400. Do I subtract that from the #26,001 TOTAL weight (for not having a CDL) which gives me #12,600 of total cargo (including the gas, people, freight, etc....)? IS THAT IT? Then I get to the scales full of gear and gas and weight myself to see what my available Freight weight could be from there?

    Example: Truck weight, ready to go with Gas, Gear and People is NOW #8300 and the total weight of the trailer is still #5800 so together the total is now #14,100 subtracted from the #26,000 leaves #11,900 available capacity for trailer freight????

    If pulled over by DOT, will they detach the trailer form the truck, find out the Trailer (GVWR at #14,000 is heavier than the Curb Weight (of #5800) plus the Freight of (say #11,000)????? or is the total load distributed over the weight of the truck and trailer??

    This keeps me from moving forward with buying my truck and trailer. I can't seem to find this information anywhere.

    Thanks in advance for anyone that spends the time to help clarify this for me!!
     
  2. Lite bug

    Lite bug Medium Load Member

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    You have a better grasp of the regulations than I had in the beginning. The way they are written makes it confusing to me. I have no first hand knowledge of derate to 14,000 lbs. Most trailers in that range are rated at 14 and can combined weight can carry more ( maybe over 15k ) In any event they are not going to have you disconnect the trailer and weigh it. ( someone correct me if I am wrong please ) Some of your weight is transferd to your truck with the hitch. As simple as I can say it. Your 26,000 less your unladen weight equals the weight you can carry.
     
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  3. I glide 47

    I glide 47 Road Train Member

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    They Will not detach gross combination vehicle weight your maximum is 11900,however I would try to load under 11500,be careful not to overload any axle or tires! Best of luck to you in all your adventures
     
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  4. x1Heavy

    x1Heavy Road Train Member

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    My experience with smaller trucks of that type is somewhat varied. Ive spent way too much of my life in the big 18 wheelers to want to deal with the smaller trucks.

    Let's just say that there were a few times I have broken down, one time I was with a loaded container and a S model international at Hammerman that just died out of sheer evil. It would have been one of the few trucks Ive had hated personally. We had a mechanic who grabbed his Ford 150, wrapped chain off his rear bumper to mine and towed me to Joppa down US 40 which included two big upgrade pulls. (For the area, it's huge...) The air braking was done by me. Using what we had in the tanks, no more. It had to get to Joppa through about 7 lights or so without being drained of air to where the springs kick in. (It made it)

    Thats just one of several stories that actually happened in my lifetime. You would be surprised what those little trucks can do.
     
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  5. USMC '74-'78 Semper Fi

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    It does seem like you understand the laden and unladen weight fair well. I've been running a Silverado 3500 w/GVWR of 13,000 and a 3 car w/GVWR of 20,000 for about 6.5 yrs. Having shared that, I've weighted on a fairly regular bases over the 6.5 yrs and never have been asked me to disconnect the trailer. Moreover, I have never witnessed a trailer detached from a truck on a scale.

    FYI What I have noticed in recent times, past 12 or so months, are DOT Officers weighting pickups w/trailers using axles scales. Sometimes this will occur on the berm. No need to detach the trailer. The actual weight per axle better not exceed the rated weight for the axle as noted by the manufacture. Keep in mind, that the ratings for the tires must equal or exceed the axle rating. Thanks,
     
  6. I glide 47

    I glide 47 Road Train Member

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    That's good advice
     
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  7. Lite bug

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    I second that
     
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