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Household Movers Guide Miles vs. Paid Miles

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by Clintonstain, Jul 29, 2013.

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  1. Jul 29, 2013 #1
    Clintonstain

    Clintonstain Light Load Member

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    I was doing a survey of the difference between the paid (Household Goods Movers Guide) miles and actual miles for the past quarter.

    82.2% of the time I was paid less than actual miles. Laws of randomness would seem to dictate that that number should be closer to 50% - a coin flip.

    Spoke to the lawyer in Arizona suing Swift about this and she said they have been in court over this for nearly a decade and that everyone knows it's sketchy but no one wanted to do anything precisely because the legal fight would take a decade or more and cost a fortune.


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    Clintonstain, Jul 29, 2013
    Clintonstain, Jul 29, 2013
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  3. Jul 29, 2013 #2
    RickG

    RickG Road Train Member

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    All carriers I know of let you know how they pay when you are hired. If you accept it you have no grounds for suit. HHG was pretty much the standard until new technology allowed practical miles to be calculated.
    Very few carriers pay actual miles.
     
    RickG, Jul 29, 2013
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  4. Jul 29, 2013 #3
    rocknroll81

    rocknroll81 Road Train Member

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    Back in '88 I drove from Milwaukee to St Louis actual was 400 miles, was paid for 360, and Milwaukee to Denver was actual like around 1,049 was paid for 1,029..
     
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  5. Jul 29, 2013 #4
    slim shady

    slim shady Road Train Member

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    I choose hhg over practical, but I receive 3 cpm more for taking hhg. No brainer. Running regional alot of my runs work out better
    Sent from my RM-845_nam_vzw_100 using Board Express
     
    slim shady, Jul 29, 2013
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  7. Jul 29, 2013 #5
    david123abc

    david123abc Heavy Load Member

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    I really don't understand why people get so angry about this. The company isn't trying to rip you off, they have to have some standard guide upon which to quote rates, therefore they pay off that guide as well. I don't even bother checking discrepancies between paid vs. actual because a.) I don't care enough about 5 or 10 bucks a load to whine about it and b.) even if I did, they aren't going to pay me the 5 or 10 bucks because I whined about it.
     
    david123abc, Jul 29, 2013
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  8. Jul 29, 2013 #6
    Roadmedic

    Roadmedic Road Train Member

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    I am betting that the companies may have finally switched to a more accurate method of quoting their rates. It is so much easier with a computer.
     
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  9. Jul 29, 2013 #7
    david123abc

    david123abc Heavy Load Member

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    I'm sure they have, but aren't most companies paying practical miles these days? So it isn't as if drivers haven't had a change as well. Using a computer does make things much easier, but programs like Google Maps will shortchange you as well since they don't take into account truck routing.

    There isn't a perfect method that will make everyone on both sides happy, but what we've got isn't nearly as horrible as some make it out to be.
     
    david123abc, Jul 29, 2013
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  10. Jul 29, 2013 #8
    Roadmedic

    Roadmedic Road Train Member

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    Most of the companies seem to be still paying the antiquated method. I know when I changed companies, the new one paid on practical and the same loads were almost on the money as far as the miles go.
     
    Roadmedic, Jul 29, 2013
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  11. Jul 29, 2013 #9
    david123abc

    david123abc Heavy Load Member

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    Then I stand corrected. I thought the majority had switched over. I'm not sure what the difference is in practical vs. Hhg in terms of numbers, though I am aware that hhg is generally shorter.
     
    david123abc, Jul 29, 2013
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  12. Jul 29, 2013 #10
    123456

    123456 Road Train Member

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    average 8% difference
     
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