Okay...my husband has gotten 2 speeding tickets on top of Grapevine Pass in California....Northbound side, just when you top the hill & have to slow to 35 to go down the hill towards Bakersfield. Yes, two tickets in the exact same spot...the tickets are about 2 weeks apart.
One ticket is for 51 in a 35, and the other is about the same. He is always empty going from LA to pick up in Shafter which accounts for his ability to pull the hill at 55...he just got in his "zone" and didn't see the signs. In his defense, on the first ticket I was sitting in the jumpseat and I honestly didn't see the drop in speed limit, either. It happens pretty quick- easily in 1/2 mile. I had to tell him, honestly, I would have gotten that ticket too, if I'd been driving. Second ticket....yeah, his dumb ##### mistake.
So here's my question, I know this is LONG but please bear with me. BOTH cops told my husband if he shows up to court, the judge in Kern County is "very sympathetic to truckers." Both officers said they wrote "positive remarks" in their notes about the traffic stop, and would plead their case in favor of my husband. And the judge will just "dismiss the charges" and he'll just have to pay the court costs, without paying for the tickets OR getting points on his license. The second cop remarked that he had "been to 8 hearings just that morning".
IMO...this sounds like quite a racket they're running here. If it's even TRUE. Hearing the same line from both cops makes me wonder. Our former boss (who owns a trucking company) seems to think we'll be "royally screwed" if husband tries to go to court himself. He thinks we need an attorney. Husband is afraid if he gets an attorney AND what the cops said is true, that the judge will NOT be sympathetic or lenient towards an attorney, and will make him pay the tickets.
*I* am afraid if we spend the money on getting him out to CA in time for the court date, renting a car, court costs...that all the cops said will turn out to be a lie and he'll have to pay the tickets anyhow. And get the points- which will mean NO more trucking job for Hubby, as he's got several tickets 3 yrs back & is "barely passable" with most companies as is.
So what do we do? Has anyone ever gone to court over a speeding ticket in Kern County? Has anyone dealt with anything similar?? Is it better to get an attorney, or let my husband go to court by himself??
(Note- by "attorney" I mean hiring an actual lawyer in CA, not the prepaid legal thing.) Thanks for any advice, folks
Husband got 2 tickets on top of Grapevine in CA- question? Please read!!?!
Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by woofless, Dec 9, 2008.
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But it appears as though you, and your husband are missing the point. The point should be why was your husband traveling 51 in a 35 especially if he found out the hard way 2-weeks earlier. Seems to me that he should have been aware of the reduced speed limit and made preparations to reduce his speed in advance of the speed reduction. You must also remember that the individual states have the right to set the speed limit within that individual state.
Also, the federal rules for commercial drivers clearly tells a driver of a commercial vehicle that he/she must comply with all state laws in effect. This means that your husband not only violated the state speed law, but also the federal rule in 49 CFR that required him to obey the state law. the applicable federal rule is 49 CFR part 390.9.
As well, 49 CFR part 383.51 states that a conviction of 15 or more MPH over the speed limit are considered serious convictions. Two serious convictions in any 3-year period requires that the CDL portion of a drivers license be suspended for a 60-day period. Three in 3-years; 90-day suspension of the CDL portion of a license.
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You absoutely hire a local (Kern Co) attorney. No question about it. Judges, attorneys, prosecutors all drink out of the same bottle. You said it yourself, Tickets go on his record, NO JOB ! Why would you risk it. By the way the cops are not going to plead your case, please...That's exactly why you need an attorney. That's his job, the cops and the DA's job is to convict you.
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WE have gotten many tickets in the same spot. Just take in the butt and except the fines because if you fight it they will make you pay the fines plus the bail upfront and then it will go to court you will pay a lawyer and all your money will dissappear and you will be found guilty. This is California and that's how it works out here. My advice to you SLOW DOWN!!!!! or you will soon not have a cdl. In California if you get pulled over you are guilty! I really hope you heed this advice so that it will save you alot of money!
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Oh yes! Hire a local lawyer and a GOOD one. You will be AMAZED at how much those two tickets are. I hope you have a few thousand saved up in the bank. I had a buddy get one right around there for 65/55 and they tried charging him $1500. He got it knocked down to $700 something and was so mad he was going to quit trucking altogether until his Dad talked him out of it and he finally paid it. Remember, CA needs LOTS of money right now. Let me warn you...do NOT take this lightly and like it was a real American state and such...California is a whole new game!
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Was it on the 5? I drive that fairly often and there are LOTS of trucks that speed there, it's not just you guys.
I would be a bit discouraged if the cops will actually show up in court. If they DIDNT show up, it would automatically be decided in your favor.
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Get the lawyers and atleast get the amount of speed on the tickets reduced 15 over is a big no no to insurance companies. Most of the time the lawyer will show up for you if you get a good one and wont have too make the trip out there. And yes most big downgrades in Cali have a reduce speed on them.
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Alot of states wont let out-of-staters take traffic school. Where he got the tickets at, I think, the signs start warning about the speed zone just past the get on from the hook.
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