I am seriously thinking of removing cdl-a thanks drivers mgmt llc aka werner ent

So I'm not the only one thinkin' that?
Especially with so many people so desperate that they'll do ANYthing to bring in a paycheck, including jobs totally foreign to them. If that isn't frustrating enough, after struggling through training they discover what Big truck truckin' really is these days and realize it ain't payin' the bills, --- as hard as they try. Then, to find out that some office desk driver is playing games with them?
Games with potentially devastating results?
Folks have gone off for lesser reasons.

I'm with you, Lost-in-Montana, I wouldn't prefer to be an office employee at any of those larger companies who are taking advantage of wannaBees, newBees and rookies.

By the way, and off topic,
I was lost in Three Forks for three days.
And I wasn't anxious to be found.
Imagine that.

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I think you mean take heed, Coastie.
Assuming so, I think we all should.

I noticed that too, ...... when I went back to the original post and re-read all the posts thereafter.
Realizing the age of this thread reinforces my belief that a post's age doesn't necessarily mean the contents aren't still relevant. If nothing else, it's a gauge to indicate that the same ol'- same ol' is still goin' on after all this time has passed. That a thread continues to attract attention and generate interest over a longer period of time just might be an indicator of it's value. If not, then it's popularity, --- for whatever reason, --- seems to compel folks to keep it alive.
What's not to like?

What this thread has created is a stimulating conversation. An exploration of differing thoughts, ideas and opinions.
That's a good thing.
What can derail a stimulating conversation is taking it personally and/or having little or no tolerance for different thoughts, ideas and/or opinions. Or even taking issue with how the information is delivered.

It must be how we're readin' it. I'm not getting the impression that LockednLoaded is whinin'.

That would be an assumption on your part, Coastie.
As I recall, LockednLoaded mentioned the trailer was loaded and already sealed, so he couldn't have inspected how the beer was loaded. (I hate it when that happens. I'm not comfortable unless I see how it's loaded myself). He made no mistake loading it, the brewery did. Can't fault a driver for that.

Besides the manual laborers sent to rectify the problem, he also mentioned the motorized equipment sent to git-er-done. Not an easy task.
Under the circumstances, what do you think he should have done differently?

If you think he should have climbed back there and straightened out the mess by himself, I ask, how long do you think it would have taken him? --- considering the machinery the company deemed necessary to do the job safely and properly.
Keeping in mind that when he finished, he'd still have another 10 hours on line one to contend with.

If you think he should have at least gotten a head start cleaning it all up, I ask, have you ever seen a shifted load like that? It's a mess is an understatement. It can be dangerous too. Things ready to fall and slippery. Any head start he might gain, would amount to a few minutes of time with the help that was on the way. Why risk injury?

Besides, smelling like a brewery while driving a Big truck might cause some folks to think the wrong thing.

The best whine is aged.
Now see, here's an example of how something can be read in different ways. I could read that sentence as whinin' 'bout somebody whinin'. Would that be accurate?

Definitely good advice and something to strive for.

Although LockednLoaded provided us with some personal insight, I think the subject was more about what Werner did/is doing, and how wrong it was/is. I wasn't keeping score, but I wouldn't use the word "mostly" to quantify mistakes. Some mistakes made? Maybe.
But I think how Werner handled it was the point. Rookies are known to make mistakes. Any company that hires rookies is surely aware of that. If a rookie being a rookie is reason to subject them to abuse, I think it's gone too far.

I also think that what some of these shady truckin' companies are doing is nothing short of bait and switch. Taking full advantage of the current situation --- a glut of applicants instead of the 'driver shortage' of just a few years ago. With them, like horse traders, y'all need to listen to what they don't say more than what they do say, --- 'cause what they do say ain't always truthful, and often is pure bovine excrement.

Precisely.
Even when we have differing opinions and/or don't always agree. :smt064:smt092:smt093:smt084

If a thread has run it's course for y'all, disregard it, don't discard it. Others may still be absorbing the messages contained within.

 

Roadmedic is an O/O with a dually hauling RV's . When things got slow for him he went to work for a carrier . He had the backbone and sense not to let them push him around and went back to RV hauling .
His posts are a hell of a lot more sensible than some that post here .
Being new here , that's not a very good way for you to start off . Maybe your time would be better spent doing more research on PTL before you make a big mistake going there .

 

And how many thousands of others trying to fulfill their boyhood fantasies will it take before they learn they're going to get hosed ?
That write your own ticket in a year or 2 is nothing but a myth . In a year or 2 there are going to be thousands thinking they are ready to make that move and not enough experienced drivers leaving jobs to give an opening for a small percentage of them .
Most of them quit because they can't survive a few months on bottom feeder pay , never mind 2 years .

 

AfterShock, Am I assuming or knowing from experience? That is the real Question. My second load as a Solo Driver i picked up in St Louis MO, at the Budwiesier plant there. Since I hauled out of many other Brewies. With Navajo, I made number runs from Coors in Golden CO to TX and hauled the Packing material right back to Coors to be used again. And yes I hauled some imported Beer out of Houston, TX and Allentown PA area which did not check to make sure the load was secured. But you were required to have 2 load locks or you would not be loaded.

Before a Beer Load is allowed to leave the Brewery IT MUST BE PROPERLY SECURED and they DO CHECK before it is sealed. Every Budweiser Plant and Coors I've been to has done it along with Scaling the load out to make sure it is LEGAL. In order to do the damages that Locknloaded has stated you have to be driving reckless and carelessly. He lucky he only had to have it restaked, and not having the truck turned right side up for some Beer loads will act simlar to a Tanker.

Even if the load was allowed to leave the plant with out the Loadlocks or straps, he had to do some things wrong such as hitting the brakes hard while backing too fast. That is a good way to empty a trailer and would cause him to shift his weight and get nailed at a scale house.

From the Information he provided, the load had shifted, Which can also cause a rollover, And his Cargo had been damaged by his statement had to be restacked and discarded the damaged Beer.

I wished all shippers used as much protection as the breweries do. Would make our lives much easier. There would be much less wast, less damage claims, and faster unloading times. But it cost $$$$$ and we can not carry all the Airbags to put in between the pallets for every load we haul. So as a Trucker we have to drive careful not only to prevent hitting Cars but to ptotect our Cargo, which all evidence provided by Locknloaded proves he was not. And that is 1.5 years ago and in his recent post about it.

As I stated Werner is not everyones favorite Company, but his beef with this Beer load deal is nothing against Werner, but about his own errors. It did show that Werner does take care of the Drivers by sending Lumpers out and not making him reload it. In the rest of his story in this thread he has also shown more poor judgement on his own part than he has shown bad against Werner.

So am I assuming or stating from Experience from hauling beer?

Whinning? Better than saying crying.. But isn't there a song that goes, There a tear in my Beer cause I am crying over Werner? Oh that Dear not Werner..

 

It is?
It's not my question.
I have no reason to doubt your experience
or abilities.

Is it your opinion that breweries never make a mistake when securing and/or inspecting a load? Is it not possible that even though things look good to go, a section of plywood and/or 2x4's could break, or somehow not prevent a load from shifting?

Possibly. And maybe probably. But not definitely.
I thought the same thing, but that's an assumption of what may have been the cause, ...... albeit based on experience.
The fact is, we don't really know how it happened, or why.

Lucky or blessed, --- maybe both.

You might be correct, and I don't disagree with your assessment. All I'm saying is we don't know for sure, only LocknLoaded knows. Perhaps he'll tell us one way or the other.

YuP!
That's what he said.
But I don't see how that proves it was his fault.

I still have reasonable doubt that proves anything pertaining to who's fault it was, .... if ANYone's fault.

Perhaps.

Yeah, I agree with you on that.
I don't know what other choice Werner may have had, but I wouldn't complain about the way it was handled.

Can you give some examples?
Or, are you gonna make me go back and re-read what I've already re-read?

Hmmmmmmmmmm
I'm goin' with you're stating what your experience causes you to assume. Mind you, I'm not sayin' you're incorrect, just that the possibility exists. What I am saying is, although indications suggest what you've described is a likelihood, I'm not totally convinced that's what actually transpired.
I guess I'm giving LocknLoaded the benefit of doubt.

Yeah, YeaH!
I've heard that song.
I forget who sang it, but I think they sang that other song, too.
Oh, what was the name of that one?
It goes, :smt035 :smt034HeY!
Why don'cha play
Another somebody done me wrong song
So Werner drivers can sing along
And feel like they really belong

So won't'cha come along
And whine some time
About the crime of pinchin' dimes
And keepin' us away from home
All alone
Ain't no reason why
I wanna die
I cry and cry
'Cause I miss my baby
An' I don't mean maybe ......................................

Or, sumpthin' like that.
I forget.

Memory.
Second thing to go
don't'cha know.

 

Qwll what I have sstated is my Opinion and yet he to shown Werner as a Bad Company. I'be not seen anything from what he said makes me think that. I did not see it 1.5 years ago nor now. Though I do believe Werner is not a great Company I would not work for them, but we read on here in the complants is showing of their own Attitudes in the magority cases.

All I can do is ask Loacknloaded what makes them a Bad Company? Cause he messed up? Or what did they do to be labeled that by him? I have not seen anything he stated earlier or then related to that.

When you make a claim A Company is bad, know why it bad, and make sure it not you in the wrong. If there is a Dought, rethink it out till your 100% sure. What maybe bad for you may not be bad for the next guy. If Werner was so bad why are they still in Business? Shippers and Recievers do take notes. What I hear from the shippers and recievers not against the Companies but against their Choice of Drivers. Ref; Locknloaded Beer deal type of problems. We see many of these ot always the Company fault. But was it really?

Who knows maybe I am the only one seeing it, but I do not think so. Have i been like him? Yes, my first 4 years of driving I hated every Company I worked for. CE England, ATS, Rocor, Star Transportation, Navajo, USX, and a few Small Companies mixed in.. Why? ATTITUDE... It took me a lot of thinking Traveling and even Seeking medical help to get out of that ATTITUDE.. Maybe it takes someone who been there and done it to see it.

 

#### Coastie, You had a lot of jobs in that short of period..
Hope you finally found one that you have lasted longer at.

 

I disagree. Perhaps I overstated with "Write your own ticket", but anyone can get one of the better jobs of you keep trying . I scored a local well paying job before my 2 years and I know another guy (who's wife works) that somehow choked down 2 years of Weener Enterprises and now he makes 1500.00/week. It's OTR with a local company. Home every 3-4days, couple of days off then gone 3-4 days again. Someone has got to get the good jobs. But you have to try out for them to get them. If you talk yourself out of ever trying, you'll never get one. If you aim high for a good job and have a clean DMV and are clean cut with good attitude and work record, you WILL get a good job sooner or later. Just got to keep trying and sooner or later the big one will hit. Just like fishing! The only reason I got the good job is that I dared to try. I ain't trying to preach but I am a world class looser and I pestered my way into a good job. If I can do it anyone else should be able to as well.

 

Yeah, I always liked going to Budweiser. The loads aren't perfect, and their idea of checking the load before sealing it isn't exactly exhaustive -- but at least there's a scale there, and they do make a superficial effort to ensure that both they and the driver are satisfied with the state of the load before the driver leaves.

Beats pulling pre-sealed trailers full of mail, which was my main duty in my 1.5 years with Werner. Those loads were almost always screwed up in some way; I can't tell you how many hours I spent picking magazines up by hand because it wasn't in the postal workers' job description; even if it was just two magazines that had fallen loose from a pallet, chances were that they'd stop everything to come wake me up (did I mention that my unloads averaged ~8 hours?) to go inside and do it for them.

But I digress. The account on which I worked for Werner was, in my view, among the better options available, so my rants on the subject are mostly just for fun.

This is true, but in my experience all that means is that some dude glances inside and nods at you if he sees that you put up the load locks.

While it's not unreasonable to assume that driver error is to blame, I'm loathe to go there. Werner's MO is to blame the driver -- whom they haven't trained sufficiently -- for everything. Sometimes you can argue your way into making them see reason, but make no mistake: The burden of proof is always on the driver.

That said, it's impossible to know what happened to the OP's load. Sure, he might have been driving recklessly. He might have encountered someone on the road who forced him to make a hasty maneuver, too. Or the load was deceptively unbalanced from the get-go. Unless you climb all the way to the front of the trailer, you really can't see the whole load before you leave the shipper.

Whatever the case may be, I sympathize with the OP, because he was probably unprepared for whatever happened with the load. I know from experience that Werner's highly touted training program is little more than a pretense to treat newbies as full-fledged team drivers and pay them squat.

(And by squat, I mean even less than the squat that rookie solo drivers make. )

Some, maybe even most, of the trainers are good people (mine were), but they're given unreasonable schedules. Of course it doesn't help that a lot of driving schools are absolute rubbish (mine was) -- filled to bursting with students, woefully under-equipped with working trucks. They'll teach you enough, by rote, to get you through your state driving exams, but that's about it.

Some people here have posted to the effect that at least Werner sent lumpers. Well, yeah, Werner can be pretty good if you make enough of a stink. The problem is that you have to make the stink. They're all about plausible deniability; they'll make you jump through sixty-eight flaming hoops before they'll acknowledge, say, a safety problem with your truck -- and then, once you've jumped through all of those, they'll act all innocent. "Well why didn't you say so?"

And even then, if there's a delay in getting the problem fixed, the burden's on you to plead and wheedle and finally fight to be paid the pathetic pittance that Werner allows for layover/breakdown pay. (Last time I checked, that was a whopping $20 per day; it's probably lower now, given that they were cutting just about everything around the time that I left. In fact, they told me the day before I was scheduled to receive my annual $0.01/mile raise that they were discontinuing that raise.)

All of this, so they can tell the state/fed that safety is their top priority, and so they can blame the driver if an equipment malfunction ends up causing property damage. Werner is by no means unique in that respect, but the whole trucking lifestyle lends itself to a bit of a siege mentality to begin with, and it's all the more grating when you feel like the faceless douche bags on the other end of the qualcomm are trying to screw you every moment of every day.

Long story short: You may be right about the beer load. Heck, you probably are right -- but Werner owns plenty of blame for how it treats its drivers, generally.