Kevin Rutherfrauds $200000 Signature glider truck has complete engine failure!!!

Not a #### thing wrong with Detroits and nearly every one I've seen has made it past 1.3m before needing a rebuild.

Just don't be an idiot and try to pull grades at 1200 rpm. Simple.


That same logic applies to the other engines as well. N14 is good but has a few issues and parts are more expensive than Detroit.

I like Volvo but they are too computerized and have a lot of issues. Injectors are stupid expensive as well!

 

I was answering the gentleman's question with numbers not an opinion. Having owned many a truck and have had drivers drive them for me down through the years. Having been partnered with a shop and seeing the repairs on various engines, as well as studying other shops as well I make my decisions based upon numbers and statistics alone. I did not flip flop in my statement, and here are some numbers for you to see that.

Average life of various engines:

Detroit: 650K - 750K
Cummins: 900K - 1.2M
Cat: 850K - 1M
Volvo D12: 1.5M - 2M

each one of these can possibly run more or less depending on who is driving it and what they are being used for. There is a reason that Detroits are not preferred in heavy construction equipment.

While they may be a good engine in the right hands, they are basically the chevy engine of big trucks. Cheap to find parts for, easier to work on, and if driven wrong will use oil and have a short life.

I for one don't understand why anybody would spend as much money on a glider such as the couple in this thread did. Before I did that I would buy a new truck, run that POS new engine until it died, then go out and find the engine I wanted to put into that truck, overhaul it and then have a new truck again. If I only got 500k out of the new one and then I dropped a Cat 6NZ or Cummins N14 redtop (assuming my new truck was a Pete) then I would get the benefit of the warranty on the new truck while still making money. After the warranty was over and that new DPF engine finally failed, then it would be more profitable to put another engine in the truck. The whole glider thing does not even make sense.

The only engine that I see lasting more than 550K in the new ones is the ISX. So whether you agree with me or not does not matter to me. I am just trying to give you the information so that you and others can make an educated decision.

If those people were truly wanting to make 9.5 mpg as they stated they would have went and bought a new truck with a Volvo D13 or the new Cascadia with the DD15 in it. If they liked KW's then they should have got one with an ISX. Sure they would have had issues, but not as many as they ended up having. My glider is when some bonehead blows up their new engine in their new truck, I go to truckpaper and buy that new truck for $10,000 and put a rebuilt engine in it at my specs for about $20,000. Look at that $30,000 for a truck that is only 3 years old. Talk about a kick ### ROI.

So am I hillary? And besides she actually might be an improvement over the last two no ball presidents that we have had. At leastwise with her you know that everybody else in the world would not F*** with the US, they would be scared of her. She scares the crap out of me everytime I see here. LOL

 

Terry, I have had more problems with the injectors on the N14's than the Volvo D12's. I usually have to replace injectors on D12 at around 1.2 - 1.3 M. The N14's though about every 400K - 500K sometimes more. Recently we have been seeing problems with the Cats and Cummins (ISX). Been wondering if it is not just a bad batch of injectors from Bosch or Delphi.

My biggest drawback with the Volvo's is that they are rather proud of their prices on parts. But I guess I understand if they don't break down as much, they have to charge more for their parts when they sell them.

 

My point was with nearly back to back statements you have made two completely opposite statements. It's either a junk engine or its a good engine. It can't be both.

 

All depends on the driver, I suppose. I could take the Detroit out and get 1M - 1.3M out of it. If I let the average driver drive it 650k - 750K, beings I buy trucks to put drivers in, I am basing my opinion on which one is going to have the durability with a driver in the truck.

We start all new drivers with us in a Volvo with a D12 (durability). Once they show us they can operate that without any problems we will then let them pick a truck from truck paper and buy it for them. I don't care what they prefer as long as it is a good deal for them and will make them the money that they need as a lease operator. We like to buy them engines that are going to outlast their payments on the trucks to us. That being said and done durability and MPG are the most important things when owning trucks.

Our shop loves Detroits, they keep the doors open with regular repairs. We have customers that are coming in all the time with break downs. Then we have customers that we may see once or twice a year and have 1M or more on their Detroit. I think the real answer to the question as to which one is best is what we that own multiple trucks have know for years. The driver makes the difference, a good driver will make any engine last longer than the average driver.

My numbers are based upon averages that we have seen from multiple trucks, multiple drivers, doing multiple things. I don't believe that I stated that the Detroit was junk, I believe that I stated that it needed to be overhauled more frequently. Given the averages with an average driver driving them. My statement was and is correct. If you are an average driver then you should get the truck with the engine that will last the most miles for you. If you are an average driver you most likely will not make it as an owner operator anyways.

 

Here is where we disagree. The average driver doesn't have a clue. No matter what color the engine is it's not going to last two million miles. give that same engine to a guy that understands how diesel engines work and he is going to get much more life out of it. assuming he cares enough to want it to last.

Another thing, the fallacy with your new vs glider argument is not so much about the engine itself but the emissions on that engine. It's perfectly legal to put an old pre emissions engine in a new glider. It is completely illegal to remove the egr, dpf, def garbage on a truck that originally came with it.

 

Well in some places it illegal to spit on the sidewalk. It is also illegal in the Military to get a blowjob. I could go on with the stupid illegal things that the Government says and stupid misunderstandings that the truckstop lawyers say. I am a businessman with attorneys at my beckon call. If I state that I can legally put whatever engine I desire into whatever I own I am correct by doing so. If the Government stated that I needed to paint my house pink, I would then inform them to buy my house and paint it pink themselves. You guys believe the propaganda that they spit out. They will send you to jail or fine you for you modifying your own property that you have no intention of reselling on the public marketplace. Therefore if you understand how to read the law than you understand how to abide by the law, or you also understand the little grey areas that are there for you to use to your advantage. Just who is selling this line of crap that you can't put whatever you want in your property. Our founding fathers are rolling around in their graves right now. I tell you what I have some beachfront property in Arizona that I will sell you dirt cheap but their is a stipulation, the Government says that you can't live there without using a gas mask because of the greenhouse gas that is rising up from all of the dope they have been smoking.

Here is a few questions for you?

Have you ever ran your logs illegal?

Have you ever been speeding illegally?

Have you ever driven sleepy or sick?

Have you ever said you were off duty when you really were?

The government tells you a lot of things are illegal but we do them anyways.

 

Ok super trucker. You win. Rip off all that emissions stuff you want to. Maybe you should remove the sticker that states the federal law while you are at it. That way you can plead ignorance to this room full of attorneys at your beck and call

 

You're going to need those lawyers if they pop the hood on your 2013 truck and find no emissions present. That is the law.


That's crazy you've had bad experiences with Detroit. From everything I've seen the engines that don't make it to at least 1.2m are few and far between. My buddy just took one out of his fleet because it was using too much oil........at 1.6m!

I have heard that the Detroits in the Volvos were the best and that the Detroit's in the Peterbuilts were not that good. Something about the "PK" engines were the ones to stay away from I believe?

 

I do not use ignorance as a defense. Knowledge and understanding would be the proper defense, sometimes the best defense is a good offense. As long as you choose to believe what you believe without doing the research it will not be I that is standing in the courtroom. Learned a long time ago that if I was possibly going to stand in a court room that the court room have very little to do with the validity of the law in discussion, but more about the presentation to the jury. How hard is it really to convince a jury that the big bad government, that does not listen to its people, is forcing private citizens to do what it wants? You want to continue this rave, but we are getting way off topic. I was originally trying to warn those that think Gliders are the answer, that they are not. You decided to come at me with your Detroit blinders on and now here we are discussing things that you most likely have no experience with. I on the other hand have worked law (five years), and decided that the system that I once loved was corrupt, and the only ones that truly have a chance are those that have the money. Thought I could make a difference in another arena, but I am growing rather weary of this one as well.

The only thing that keeps me going is that maybe just maybe we truckers (notice that I am one as well now) get our heads together and decide to quit bickering about the small stuff. Such as whether a Detroit, Volvo, Cat, Cummins, or Pete, International, Freightliner, Volvo are the best tools for the trade. We each have our own experiences with that and opinions about that as well. One thing you must agree is that the government continues to make laws that make it harder for the little independent trucker to compete. If you choose to operate by their forced rules and regulations that are not in the best interest of all parties concerned, than go right ahead.

I would rather die fighting for my freedom, than be free to be a slave