Liquid Bulk Tanker

Discussion in 'Tanker, Bulk and Dump Trucking Forum' started by Sportster2000, Sep 29, 2019.

  1. Sportster2000

    Sportster2000 Road Train Member

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    Let me start off with I have never messed with a tank trailer. All of this is new to me. Work has tasked me with finding a tank trailer. Requirements are that it has to be a smooth bore, no baffles. Must be able to hit 80,000 gross weight with truck and with water in it on a 5 axle combination. Truck weights in the 20k to 22k weight. I'm not even sure what is available for unloading and loading. None of our trucks have PTO's on them for a transfer pump so that is out. Guessing it will have to be a gravity drain. Also, I have no intentions of unloading it once it is full of water to the weight that work wants. Problem with that is winter time and freezing. I guess help me spec a trailer and/or lead me in the right direction. Any help is appreciated.
     
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  3. Cat sdp

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    Food grade..... or water for dust control would be my first question.....?

    6000 or 6500 gallons is about all your gonna be able to load weight wise.....

    Insulated tank....? Why are you not unloading it ?
     
  4. Sportster2000

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    Not needing food grade. No dust control. Not unloading it because we are using it just for the weight and the slosh effect on the truck. We don't actually deliver products to customers. We are a not for hire. We load new trailers to the weight we need and leave them on there for testing. Please school me on insulated tanks. I don't think we need an insulated tank. I've seen "fertilizer" trailer on truck paper. What makes it a fertilizer trailer vs any other type?
     
  5. npok

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    How many gallons do they want? Where are you supposed to load up? How are you supposed to load? Potable water?
     
  6. Sportster2000

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    I am thinking that the gross weight will be in the neighborhood of 70,000 lbs with truck. So 50,000 lbs of trailer and water. Potable vs non potable, doesn't matter. No one will be drinking it. How am I to load the trailer? Honestly it might just come down to putting a garden hose in it, turn it on, walk away, and come back in a day or two. Or are you asking about the truck requirements? Which trailer manufactures have a better built trailer? One that will last longer with it being loaded all the time. Which one should I stay away from like the plague?
     
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  7. Flat Earth Trucker

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    Personally, I like Polar tanks the most. By themselves, a Polar or Westmark weigh about a thousand pounds less than a Walker. Indian River Transport buys tanks with the premium insulation, maybe they'll sell you a used tank. There's a lot full of de-identified tanks sittin' out off Executive Road.

    The Polar tanks we pull have their landing gear crank on the drivers side. I like that.
     
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    I beleive the tanks are 6,000 gallons.

    I haul 7000. But My trailer is also 53 feet with extra axles. So it's a heavy hauler.

    Now, this is speculation since I don't know your truck setup. But this is what I've been seeing.

    In order to get the trailer fully grossed. You'll have to have a raised 5th wheel setup. To tilt the load back somewhat. The drives are heavier so those will gross out before the trailer.

    I've seen companies that have I think a 4 inch rise on the plate.

    I'm not sure if there are trailers that are wider in the back to load extra weight. Other then 4 axle setups. But I don't travel the country. So maybe there are.

    We tried the levelor adjust to max out ride height but that didn't accomplish anything to get more weight on the back.

    When I was pulling those single bore tanks. IIRC. Max weight was 77,500. Half tanks of fuel could get up to 78.

    The trailers were insulated. With heating capabilities. The trailer was tied in to the trucks cooling system. The truck supplied the heat to the trailer.

    We were hauling bio fuel which gelled at 43 degrees. So the trailers needed to be heated in order to haul the product in the winter time. The loads went to SoCal so gelling for them wasn't an issue.
     
  9. wis bang

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    Look for a DOT407 or an older MC307 a lot of them have excess insulation compressed by the wrapper skin. Most are in the 6500 - 7000 gal range...20K tractor, your tare will be around 35,000 or more. Weigh it and figure how much water you can add at 8.463 pounds per gal...we used to ship 6000 gal at a time to fill swimming pools, etc. that won't slop much in a 6500 tank but you will feel it move.

    looks like a used tank that fails the re-rests could be just your ticket...
     
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  10. Sportster2000

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    They want to purchase new. We will not be using a heating circuit on it as we have too many trucks to retrofit for the use of one trailer. So I found a product that is non hazmat and goes to -35F before it freezes. Beet Juice.
    https://www.rimguardsolutions.com/beet-juice-is-better/faq/
    Weighs up to 11 pounds per gallon. I saw that some trailers are rated at 8lbs and some at 16lbs. Guessing this means pounds per gallon? If that is the case then I found this trailer,
    2020 POLAR 5000 DOT 407 CHEMICAL TANKER RATED FOR 16LB For Sale In Kansas City, Kansas
    How big of a mistake am I going to make with this one?
     
  11. npok

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    Does your company know that a new tank trailer can cost as much or more than a new truck?

    I'd look at some kind of mineral oil or something else that won't spoil.
     
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