Louisville Plane Crash

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  1. mjd4277

    mjd4277 Road Train Member

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    It won’t be that simple. UPS still has some 767 freighters on backorder, but those don’t have the payload capability the MD-11 has. Plus with the three engines the MD-11 had It’s not subject to the ETOPS rules. They could order Boeing 777F freighters but there’s still a backorder for those.
    Their issue is two fold. as well as phasing out the MD-11 fleet their Airbus A300 freighter fleet is getting long in the tooth and will come time for a replacement as well.
     
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  3. Concorde

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    They got it figured out already..fwiw.


    Key Details on the Replacement Strategy:
    • Replacement Aircraft: The Boeing 767-300ER freighter is the primary replacement, selected for its lower operating costs, better reliability, and reduced carbon emissions compared to the older tri-engine MD-11.
    • Fleet Modernization: The 18 new Boeing 767s will replace roughly 30 of the MD-11 cargo jets that made up about 9% of the UPS air fleet.
    • Delivery Timeline: 15 of the new aircraft are scheduled for delivery this year, with additional deliveries expected to bring the total to 18 over the next 15 months.
    • Capacity Transition: The 767 offers a smaller, more efficient, twin-engine alternative to the high-capacity, three-engine MD-11, adjusting to changing logistics demand.
     
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    While it is more fuel efficient the 767 doesn’t have the MD-11’s payload capacity or range capabilities,plus it’s still subject to ETOPS rules(although the regulations have been more relaxed in years). Also, due to the ICAO regulations (in particular emissions) the 767 was scheduled to be discontinued (originally last year but Boeing extended production until 2027), which means they have to get the new 777X up to speed or start with a clean sheet design (which they don’t have money for yet).
     
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    While all that may be true, the biggest wrench in the works is that all of the aircraft with comparable capacity to the MD-11 have much larger wingspans. So it's either reconfigure all of the ramps (IF there is room) or fly 2 smaller birds to carry the same amount of freight. It's why they've stayed in service this long.
     
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    They stay in business because of the HIGH UTILIZATION of their aircraft,plus they have always have spares flying,just in case they need to reroute a plane to take the place of one that has broken down and gone mechanical.
    At this point the company could look at the used aircraft market for Boeing 777s,maybe even Airbus A330s but even then,it takes months to convert a former passenger aircraft to a freighter. Another elephant in the room is a fleet commonality factor,especially when you’re talking about spare parts,in particular for the engines. the lions share of UPS’ fleet is powered by either Pratt & Whitney or General Electric turbofan engines. The only exception to that rule is some of the 757 narrow body freighters, which is a mix of Pratt & Whitney and Rolls-Royce engines. Adding a new aircraft to the fleet with a different engine type can add complexity costs. Also it can also increase the training costs for pilots and mechanics.
     
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