Mandatory safety Meetings - On Duty Required?

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  1. Grumppy

    Grumppy Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    One of my co-workers is stirring.

    He is thinking there is a FMCSA rule that says mandatory safety meeting must be logged on duty. It seems like I have seen or heard that but I cant find any rule on it. I did find an interpretation that says it can be logged OFF duty if it is voluntary.... but I cant find the rule that specifically say that it is mandatory to log ON duty for mandatory safety meetings.
    The interpretation looks like its in 395.2 but I dont see it there. Am I over looking it?
    Regulations Section

    Can anyone point me to a rule for that?
     
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  3. Lennythedriver

    Lennythedriver Heavy Load Member

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    That’s a really good question. I have to say I have never logged in on duty for any safety meeting. However I was called in for a random one time and the owner of the company made me go back out to the truck and login on duty for that. So it makes sense that you would be required to be on duty for a meeting.
     
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  4. ZVar

    ZVar Road Train Member

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    While not specifically said, it falls under both the general directive and part 8.....
    And as you said, the guidance specifically states it is by inference of specifying only voluntary meetings can be off duty.

    On-duty time means all time from the time a driver begins to work or is required to be in readiness to work until the time the driver is relieved from work and all responsibility for performing work. On-duty time shall include:
    (8) Performing any other work in the capacity, employ, or service of, a motor carrier
     
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  5. ZVar

    ZVar Road Train Member

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    Even though few enforce it, that is actually specifically stated as On Duty.
    From 395.2
    All time spent providing a breath sample or urine specimen, including travel time to and from the collection site, to comply with the random, reasonable suspicion, post-crash, or follow-up testing required by part 382 of this subchapter when directed by a motor carrier;
     
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  6. Grumppy

    Grumppy Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Yeah, see that's why I'm on the fence too. I've never been forced to log on duty but, something is bugging me that its "required", "mandatory"... so its gotta come under required on duty.
     
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  7. Harry Flashman

    Harry Flashman Medium Load Member

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    I think technically, according to the rules, you need to reset your break if you talk to a dispatcher on your 10.

    It all depends on how anal your company is about enforcing it.

    You will likely never face any consequences for logging it off duty unless you are involved in a fatal accident and the victims attorney does some investigating.
     
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  8. Dennixx

    Dennixx Road Train Member

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    We have safety meetings each month.
    Some are mandatory to update training or SOP.
    All are paid on duty activities because it's during the shift but the mandatory one's pay a 4 hour minimum but only requires the actual time spent as on duty.
     
  9. Wasted Thyme

    Wasted Thyme Road Train Member

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    this has been shown to not be true. Taking phone calls does not require you to go on duty.
     
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  10. Bean Jr.

    Bean Jr. Road Train Member

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    Sorry, not true. Screenshot_20210712-192357_Chrome.jpg
     
  11. Allow Me.

    Allow Me. Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    I've been to orientations where you fill out a log book just before getting your truck and you log class time (line 4)
     
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