MEXICAN TRUCKS HERE SEPT 1st

Discussion in 'Mexican Truckers Forum' started by VULCAN1999, Aug 29, 2007.

  1. MexicoTrucker

    MexicoTrucker Medium Load Member

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    datxsaw!

    You conpletely invalidated your argument by making reference to the antigovernment extremist group, the John Birch Society
     
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  3. datxsaw

    datxsaw Bobtail Member

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    Please point-out anything - anything at all - in that documentation (to which I posted the link) that is inaccurate, incorrect, "extremist", or "anti-govenment". (By-the-way, for your information, the John Birch Society is not the least bit "anti-government"; it is anti-corruption-of-government!)
     
  4. MexicoTrucker

    MexicoTrucker Medium Load Member

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    Let's say "EXTREMIST" instead of anti government as pointed out by the Anti Defamation League and referenced to by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

    Let's mention "guilt by association" with groups they promote such as NUMBERS USA and Roy Beck , which was founded with the help of John Tanton, the anti immigrant founder of FAIR ( http://www.adl.org/Civil_Rights/anti_immigrant/fair.asp )

    Guilt by association when they promote overtly racist groups like the Minutemen or as I like to call them, the Viagra Vigilantes.

    Very intolerant of anything that doesn't fit their idea of how the world should be.

    And when they start spouting off and trying to scare people about the mythical North American Union, they further lose credibility in my eyes.

    Think for a moment! 3 sovereign countries with three legislative bodies, 2 Constitutions and a Charter. Does anyone seriously think that three men, the Presidents of Mexico and the US and the Prime Minister or Lord Governor of Canada could singlehandedly dispose their legislative bodies, toss the Constitutions out the window and form one sovereign country without borders? Come on now! Your tin hats leaking!

    The SPP! Have you read it? The minutes of their meetings? Their goals? I have! Every word of it. http://www.spp.gov/myths_vs_facts.asp Read the facts and myth and then the SPP Fact sheet! http://www.spp.gov/factsheet.asp?dName=fact_sheets I can't find anything in here about a NAU or anything remotely resembling it.

    We could go on, but I think you get the picture
     
  5. stranger

    stranger Road Train Member

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    Now there is a couple of groups I can really put some faith in.

    Having read your last post, I now know everything that I had summized. You have an extreme liberal view, you have an agenda, and no amount of facts or discussion is going to change your mind on anything.

    I am not trying to insult or defame you. I am stating a fact as I see it.

    When one group wants something as bad as the Mexian trucking companies want to come into the US, and the US truckers don't want it to happen, that tells me all I need to know.

    This program will generate piles of freight and money for Mexican trucks. Where will this money come from? It will have to come from the trucks we already have here.

    There is not enough freight for our trucks now, we sure can't afford to give away tens of thousands of loads per year just to make someone else happy.

    I don't see open arms in Mexico for foreigners the way Mexico expects us to have open arms for them.
     
  6. MexicoTrucker

    MexicoTrucker Medium Load Member

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    Actually, I am quite conservative as compared to others but have a logical mind that can see through BS.

    The only "agenda", if you want to call it that, is to expose the fraud that people like Jimmy Hoffa, Todd Spencer and others have pushed on the public who have swallowed it hook line and sinker! Nothing more.

    One of the things you have been convinced of is that Mexican trucks wanting to come into the US so badly! If this were the case, there would be more than 30 companies putting only 107 trucks into the program. The ones coming in under this program are servicing their customers, both ways. They are not taking freight from any American companies.

    You're correct! Some American truckers don't want it. The ones who listen to the crap spewed on the trucking radio shows, the press releases from Hoffa and OOIDA which for the most part, is blatant misinformation. Other's, who I talk to on the road, receive emails from on my site, either have no opinion, don't care or are not worried about it.

    And how can you lose something you never had? How can something be "given away" that was never on the table?

    And 10's of thousands of loads? For what? At most, a couple of hundred trucks, who once again, are servicing their customers and a saving them money by cutting out the middle man, the forwarders.

    The loss to the freight forwarders on this side of the border? About $100 dollars a load. And if you come to Laredo or other border towns, you would know our warehouses are overflowing with freight.

    Mexico has given American trucks the same consideration as we have given them. Nothing more, but a lot less regulatory BS than we have thrown at them.

    Open your mind and think. What is logical and what make sense and what doesn't.

    I did and that is how I arrived at my conclusions partially. Although working for a border trucking company and making my home in Mexico has helped me to see things other ignore or refuse to acknowledge.
     
  7. stranger

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    We will be losing what we now have. When the freight is brought over the border and either cross docked, or dropped, who delivers that load to the end user? American trucks with American drivers.

    I have delivered freight to Laredo and Brownsville many times. I have picked up product to be delivered in Mexico, dropped that load in Laredo, picked up the same type goods that had been processed in Mexico, and then delivered that load back to where I first started in NC.

    If the borders were open which truck do you think would be delivering that load. It would be the Mexican truck, because they operate cheaper by way of cheap driver wages.

    I have also gone into Mexico to pick up loads before. I did not take my truck, but rode with a cross border Mexican truck pulling my trailer to the shipper and back. This only made me more convinced that the current drayage system is the best way to do things right now.

    You also speak of only a few trucks and a few loads. This is just the pilot program. When and if this program gets full approval Mexican trucking companies will be lined up waiting to get across the border.

    One other thing. Mexico and the US are two different countries, with a border between them. The purpose of a border is to seperate these countries from each other, and keep people out of each others countries.

    To break down that barrier is not a smart thing. If both countries use the same curency, paid the same wages, and operated under the same rules, then things could be different, but this is far from the truth.

    Maybe if Mexico were to become a US territory we might could work something out. Until that time, Mexico is still a foreign country, and should be treated as such.
     
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  8. MexicoTrucker

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    I seriously doubt that there will be an influx of Mexican trucks waiting to cross the border and operate in this country.

    Besides, 4.000.000 loads cross the southern border yearly and there are only 260.000 Federally licensed Mexican truckers in the entire country. Even if all were committed to operate in this country, it would not make a dent. But that will not happen.

    It may just be a Pilot Program, but the program allowed over 100 carriers and you've seen the response. If they don't have the need to participate, they didn't

    Yes, Mexico and the US are two different countries (you forget Canada) A border is not meant to keep people out of one another's country, although many people would like to believe that. They mark the boundries of sovereign nations and nothing more.

    Again, I notice the glaring omission of Canada in any manner in your argument!
     
  9. stranger

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    Read my post on the other thread where I answered you about Canada and Hoffa.

    I am not real thrilled about Canadian trucks down here, or ours up there. But their system and pay is much closer to ours than that of Mexico.
     
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  10. SilverSurfer

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    Mexican trucks belong on Mexican soil, and American trucks belong on American soil. What is so hard for you, MexicoTrucker, to understand in that statement. American truckers don't want y'all here...and it sounds, in some of your arguments, that y'all don't want to be here either.

    This is the concern of many American trucker's. We are very much aware of how #### starts and then gets out of hand. Opening our borders to a few Mexican trucks will result in an onslaught of Mexican trucks...it's the nature of the beast. So let's just call it what it is...we don't want Mexican trucks on American soil, and for our government to allow this bs against the will of both American truckers and American citizens is uncomprehensible. And if we have anything to say in the matter...our border will be shut once again - it's just a matter of time.

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  11. datxsaw

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    Obviously all you "know" about the John Birch Society (JBS) is based on the allegations of the extreme leftist Anti Defamation League and Southern Poverty Law Center. The Communist Party USA and Socialist Workers Party have been making practically identical claims about the JBS.

    In my previous reply to your earlier post, I said, "Please point-out anything - anything at all - in that documentation (to which I posted the link ) that is inaccurate, incorrect, 'extremist', or 'anti-govenment'." So, specifically what falsehoods or inaccuracies have you found? Did you ever even actually read any of it? (For your convenience, again the link is: http://www.jbs.org/files/NAUSpecialIssue.pdf )
    (Hint: Every bit of it is very thoroughly documented; its sources are specified.)

    I have read plenty of the spp.gov "fact sheet". Some pertinent passges from it have been quoted in JBS literature. Lots of "warm and fuzzy" verbiage is used, like "harmonization", "integration", and "community" that make it seem very innocuous. Once one understands what is really meant by how these words are used, it only verifies that what the JBS has been saying is true. There was also an official "North American Community" website that was very telling and more forthright about this.

    Incidentally, the JBS and Dr. Jerome Corsi are not the only ones warning of this "North American Union" (NAU); the Eagle Forum, Dr. Daneen Peterson, and Lou Dobbs of CNN are among the others who have been bringing this to light. Think about it: If this doesn't really exist, why have houses in 21 state legislatures already passed anti-NAU resolutions? (In at least 3 states it passed in both houses.) Why would there be such a bill (H.J.R. 40) in the U.S. House of Representatives?




     
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