Old Cummins Pyrometer and Jake Brake Questions

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  1. Ryan.W

    Ryan.W Bobtail Member

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    I've got a big cam 3 with a recent overhaul in my truck and have a couple questions about safe operation I was hoping I could get some input on.

    Pyrometer temp - What is generally considered to be a safe high temp for running continuously when pulling a steep grade? I've mostly heard anything under 1,000 is safe but am wondering if there's a more specific number. Mine will run 950 - 975 on steep hard pulls. I try to back out of it a bit when it gets much over 950 and keep it right around there.

    Jake Brakes - What is a safe continuous operating range for the jakes? On this I've heard under 2,000 rpm is okay but personally don't run them up that high. Also, is there a max rpm at which you should engage them or does that even matter? Like, is it better to turn them on at 1,500 and let them wind up to 1,800 or okay to just kick 'em on at the higher R's?

    Thanks for the help!
     
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  3. beastr123

    beastr123 Road Train Member

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    The higher the rpms the more effective your Jakes works.
    Also the fan uses 30 to 40 hp and that can be used as another stage of the Jakes.
    The most effective range for most engines seems to be 1750 to 2150 rpm.
     
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  4. Diesel Dave

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    Depends where the pyrometer probe is, before or after the turbo. Before 1200, after 900. The Jake’s I use to run them around 1800, 2000 is fine but I would still stick around 1800
     
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    By golly, I don't remember. Seems like 1,000,-1200 is what most call for, but with a Cummins, I'd downshift before that. Not good to run a Cummins hot. Didn't seem to hurt the Mack I drove, however. Volvo/Mack shows a pyrometer with an 1100 "red line". Not sure what you mean with "continuous operation" of a Jake. I think what you may mean, is turn the Jake on or off when you need it, or leave it on all the time. I think a Jake will work all the way down to idle. The Jake should be okay right up to the governor. Just don't kill the motor with the Jake on, I heard.
     
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    On a mechanical engine the jake can stall it as I’m sure you know. On an electronic engine like an N-14 the jake will shut off just above idle speed so you can leave it on all the time if you like.
     
  7. Ryan.W

    Ryan.W Bobtail Member

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    What I meant was, let's say your going down a grade that's six miles long, you kick on the jake at the top and leave it on all the way to the bottom of the grade. What's the highest safe rpm for that.
     
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  8. Lav-25

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    I go down a lot of steep hills around CO an NM and i usally start at second stage and around whatever is five under for speed . ( speed limit is 60 , stage 2 holds at around 17-18 for a light load -10th gear , on full loads 50-55 , max on jakes and 10 or maybe 9 , depending on traffic and such . Been awhile since i had a pyro , but like was written by you and other 975 -1000 was about max
     
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    201 Road Train Member

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    That's a good question, so in other words, can you over rev the motor with the Jake on, I actually don't know . I always selected a gear that I knew the engine brake would hold, I guess if the truck begins to "run away", you have no choice but to melt the brakes. It may take you down to 15 mph for the Jake to hold steady at say 1900 rpms. I never over revved a diesel on a downgrade.
     
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    I personally don’t like the rpm to creep higher than 2-2100. Once you start getting over 2500 you start getting into valve float territory.
     
  11. beastr123

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    With a big cam 3 the range is 1750 to 2100, same as your power band for pulling. And the higher the better.
     
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