OOIDA petitions Elaine Chao/Jim Mullen.

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  1. OldW900AOwner

    OldW900AOwner Bobtail Member

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    I'm not all for more government intervention or regulation, but I read this letter drafted by Todd Spencer of OOIDA, and I think it's a good start to amend some of the current rules that let brokers skirt around certain laws. One of the topics is about doing away with the clauses in rate confirmations that basically has the contractor/driver/owner-operator currently signing away all of his rights to view compensation between the shipper and broker. I'm all for that one myself. Among a few others...High time the playing field gets leveled.



    https://cqrcengage.com/ooida/file/r...er Transparency Regulations 49 CFR §371.3.pdf
     
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  3. Western flyer

    Western flyer Road Train Member

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    I'll ask this question again.
    If it's all about the money for every business,
    Why aren't the shippers and receivers complaining
    About being ripped off first.

    If they pay a broker 2 grand to move a load,
    And the broker moves them all day for 1 grand,
    Why aren't they #####ing and moaning like the drivers.
    That's a whole lot of money out of there pockets
    To pay a middle man to sit at home.
    The mafia doesn't charge that much.
     
  4. Rubber duck kw

    Rubber duck kw Road Train Member

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    Why, are you hauling cheap freight now? How is knowing what the broker is making going to help you say no if you can't now?
     
  5. longhaultransport

    longhaultransport Light Load Member

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    Why won't any of them answer these questions?
     
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  6. Rubber duck kw

    Rubber duck kw Road Train Member

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    Because they know it won't change anything, they'll still be stuck with cheap freight because they have to have that new truck as soon as they get close to paying the old one off.
     
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  7. olddog_newtricks

    olddog_newtricks Medium Load Member

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    Listen to Kevin Rutherford on SXM..... you just need more miles... no matter how cheap the rares are. o_O
     
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  8. Long FLD

    Long FLD Road Train Member

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    Don’t worry. This will all be fine. No other brokerage would work with a trucker to book a load through another brokerage so that they can find out the rate and backdoor broker 1 and submit a lower rate to get the contract. That will never happen. It will be sunshine and roses for the spot market trucks once they know what the load pays.
     
  9. Banker

    Banker Road Train Member

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    ***I do not work cheap and don’t think anyone with any marketable skills should either.*** But
    When you go to Home Depot do you need to know what their margin is verses Lowe’s before you buy something? If you don’t like what the appliance at Home Depot costs don’t buy it and if you don’t like what the load the broker is offering pays don’t haul it. When freight was thru the roof did you want the govt regulating how much you were charging for spot market freight? Probably not. My point is don’t worry about what other businesses are making. Worry about what you are making and don’t work for less than what you need or want. Sometimes that may mean you have to park your truck until the bottom feeder truckers go out of business because they are hauling too cheap or until the rates come back when demand does. Rates are extremely low now because the supply of trucks is extremely high and spot market load availability is low. My rig has been parked for 9 weeks because the current spot market freight does not pay enough for my rig to haul it. When it does pay enough or my contract freight returns my rig will be back on the road.

    SUPPLY AND DEMAND IS WHAT DRIVES A FREE MARKET, LIKE IT OR NOT but it beats Government Intervention.
     
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  10. Rubber duck kw

    Rubber duck kw Road Train Member

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    That's a difficult concept for some to grasp.
     
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  11. OldW900AOwner

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    I don't haul cheap freight to begin with. I haul equipment, machinery, trucks, oversized, and buy/sell my own equipment for resale = profit. I just sit back and listen to the chatter about these dry van rates and flatbed as well, on how the brokers rip people off and wonder what can be done to fix the problem, that's all. I do occasionally use a brokered load to cover my costs to get to a certain point for my own good if I can make it make sense...but however I don't bow down to their crap. I deadhead first, because I can easily make it up on my other transactions. And my primary concern isn't "how much they make"...which is where a lot of people get butt hurt over a misconception on this subject; my concern is getting BS'd to my face, and I don't like that.

    Multiple times I have loaded a machine and brought it to the owner, got talking to him and he brings up the question..."how much did they give YOU to haul this to me"? When we exchange that number, both of us are ticked off when we find out that we BOTH got ripped off. I know, I know, I didn't have to accept the load, yada yada yada...but that isn't the point. The point is, I took it after trying my hardest to "negotiate" with the jerk that posted the load in the first place, not being able to squeeze another 50 stinking bucks out of them even though I was trying to make it make sense at another $500.00 above the posted rate...then find out afterwards in conversation with the owner that the broker made a grand off of it, and in a lot of cases more than that on it. That fries my and ANY hard working, sensible man's butt every time. I don't look to play games, pinch pennies, or waste precious time dealing with some bozo that's scamming everybody out of hard earned, and deserving revenue.

    So again...I couldn't care LESS what they make; I do care that it was wrong to lie, and to charge the customer one thing and pay the one doing all the bull work, another. If the shoe was on the other foot and you had me haul a bulldozer that you bought and used a broker, that charged you 2 grand to have me haul it and found out that I got $800.00 to do the job and they kept $1,200.00...if you are a sensible individual I'd assume that you'd be a little ticked off as well. You could have called me directly and we could have made that deal a lot more pleasant. That's my take on this topic, that's all. I can afford to deadhead anyplace I want to and constantly do, when I can't make the deal make sense. I don't live in a truck, I use it for a tool to generate revenue, and I'm not a slave to the system thank God. I know, I'm a little independent. Sorry.

    I saw TWO loads last week that I would have liked to have grabbed off the loadboard to get me to the south to pick up a couple of pieces I need to get back to New England. Both loads posted by a company I have been doing plenty of business with for years, well known outfit out of Minnesota. BOTH loads, two separate "broker/agents" to deal with that I never spoke with before, refused my counter offers, stating "they can't be upside down with this one today, it's a new account". They fail to realize I knew where one of them was shipping from. I called the place and spoke to a friend that works there and asked what they would be willing to pay me to do it. I could have charged them $700.00 more than the broker was willing to pay ME...so there's your proof. Did I do the load? No. Broker found a sucker in 5 minutes to do it and it was gone. At least I got to keep my dignity, LOL. It's a gong show, that's all.
     
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