owner leases truck then Gordon leases owner

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  1. MysteryRenee

    MysteryRenee Bobtail Member

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    I have a friend that in 2008 started leasing a truck from some company. He drives for Gordon Trucking as I assume an independant contractor. Well this is where Iam confused - he says Gordon is leasing his truck from him.

    Gordon takes care of IFTA and 2290

    Lots of tax questions:

    1. Would his lease payment be fully deductable when paid, or would he still have to depreciate the truck?

    2. Is he an independant contractor that would be filing schedule C?

    3. He is constantly on the road. His tax home is in Centralia, Wash but he hardley goes there. He gets his mail from that address (its his sisters place. He calls it home, but what if he only goes home for a couple of days a month.

    4. When he is away from home is it $52 a day for meals only or does that include the hotel he stays at.

    Any help would be much appreciated.

    Thanks
     
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  3. Roadmedic

    Roadmedic Road Train Member

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    1. It will depend on the type of lease that he has with the company he is leasing from. Some of these are capitalized leases and others expensed. It depends on the wording and what happens at the end of the lease.

    2. He would be an independent contractor. However, the court case ruling in Washington might have an impact here. Is he really an lease or company driver. The difference to the court case is that he had the lease first prior to Gordon.

    3. There is no problem with the tax home as long as he meets the IRS rules for tax home. This has been discussed on many other threads.

    IRS pub 463 tax home
    link http://www.irs.gov/publications/p463/ch01.html#en_US_publink100033754

    Factors used to determine tax home. If you do not have a regular or main place of business or work, use the following three factors to determine where your tax home is.
    1. You perform part of your business in the area of your main home and use that home for lodging while doing business in the area.
    2. You have living expenses at your main home that you duplicate because your business requires you to be away from that home.
    3. You have not abandoned the area in which both your historical place of lodging and your claimed main home are located; you have a member or members of your family living at your main home; or you often use that home for lodging.
    4. In order to be eligible for the 52.00 per diem, he has to be away from his tax home. A place he maintains, through rent, utilities etc.
     
  4. MysteryRenee

    MysteryRenee Bobtail Member

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    thank you so much for answering. On the per diem do they get just a percent of the $52? and are hotel expense separate than the $52. Is there a per diem for the hotels.?

    The lease probably has a difference if it is to own at the end, right?

    Any infor on that case you were talking about would be great.

    Thanks again for your answers.
     
  5. Roadmedic

    Roadmedic Road Train Member

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    The 52.00 is for meals while away from the tax home. Since he is not a company driver, he will get the deduction on the Schedule C. Mark the DOT box and it is then limited to 80%.

    There is a per diem for hotels, but why would he be in one if he has a sleeper?
     
  6. MysteryRenee

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    2. He would be an independent contractor. However, the court case ruling in Washington might have an impact here. Is he really an lease or company driver. The difference to the court case is that he had the lease first prior to Gordon.

    He was a company driver then leased a truck through some company, and now, Gordon leases the truck from him. Pretty confusing for me.
     
  7. Roadmedic

    Roadmedic Road Train Member

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    It involves leasing from the company you are working for.
     
  8. MysteryRenee

    MysteryRenee Bobtail Member

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    Would he report his expenses on sch c or form 2106. Is this right -
    co driver form 2106
    owner/operator sch c
     
  9. Passin Thru

    Passin Thru Road Train Member

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    Talk to a bookkeeper from WA who does trucks.
     
  10. Roadmedic

    Roadmedic Road Train Member

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    See post 4
     
  11. MysteryRenee

    MysteryRenee Bobtail Member

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    Thanks to all for the help
     
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