Picking my own freight baby! My journey to & of being on Schneider choice, the Adventure & Numbers!

Discussion in 'Schneider' started by freightwipper, Jun 1, 2015.

  1. Farmerbob1

    Farmerbob1 Road Train Member

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    That scenario is definitely a bad scenario for Schneider, for sure.

    So, put something in the contract that would charge IC's for dropping accepted loads if they take a new, different load that overlaps timing with the canceled loads.

    Do it often enough, and it starts costing more.

    Do it often enough, and Schneider tells you to #### off and drops your contract.

    There are ways for Schneider to protect themselves from IC shenanigans while not opening IC's up for abuse.

    Any example you give could be addressed.
     
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  5. gentleroger

    gentleroger Road Train Member

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    There are two problems with doing something like this. First it would be an administrative nightmare. If an IC has loads A, B, C, and D booked, but load B cancels or changes, then loads C and D have to come off the IC, if only temporally. A simple computer program would not be able to distinguish between the two scenarios, so a human has to get invovled. Then you have the IC disputing the charge back, and more people get involved. The costs would easily eclipse the payoff.

    The second problem is employee classification. Schneider is already involved in a class action lawsuit claiming that their ICs should be classified as employees. Putting in a charge back system might blur the line between ICs and employees, at least in terms of the law.
     
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  6. Farmerbob1

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    There would be no charge if the change is not instigated by the IC. Fixed.

    As for charge backs blurring the line between employee and contractor, it would have the exact opposite result. You charge back contractors, not employees.
     
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    Two weeks ago I put my truck in the shop for a bunch of codes on Monday morning. Initial diagnostics said an ecm module needed to be changed, I would get the truck back mid Wednesday morning. As the mechanics opened things up they discovered it wasn't the module, but a wire that was rubbing. Truck was ready by noon. Were I an IC, I would have had my loads pulled off, only to book freight a few hours later. If I was issued a charge back, I would be livid.

    Charge backs are common for commission based employees, so if Schneider starts charge backs for ICs, it can be argued (not that I agree with the logic, I don't) that ICs are commission based employees. ICs can pull loads for whatever reason, all this clause is allowing Schneider to do the same.
     
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  8. Farmerbob1

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    Good example. Some sort of forgiveness rule could easily be added. On the first two loads canceled by an IC in a month, no charge. If more than two loads are canceled due to truck service, provide dated verifiable receipts of service performed, and no charge.

    Seriously, there is an entire branch of the legal system devoted to exactly this sort of thing. Contract law. Every single idea you or I have has been considered a thousand times over.

    Identify the behavior you want to prevent. Make rules to penalize it. Make exception paths if occasional occurrences of the behavior is acceptable.

    The idea of writing up a contract that opens up your IC business partners for abuse should never happen unless Schneider wants the IC program to go away and they don't have the balls to simply cancel it.
     
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    KingG239 Medium Load Member

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    True shouldn’t even ask that question
     
  10. Dave_in_AZ

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    We aren't allowed to drop a load once booked just because you don't want it.

    That dog don't hunt.

    Truck in shop.- Missed 2 loads in 4 years.

    All trucks= 4 loads in 4 years.

    When loads cancel, you find another hopefully. Most of the time you can, not always.

    But if you're talking several loads out, that gives several days, even a week for someone to take it.
    And they have to take several overwhelming minutes, and a few key strokes to do it.

    If it's good freight it's gone in minutes.

    If it's really good, you may just eat the deadhead.

    Why anyone would try to be an IC where you are subjugated by the parent company is beyond The OM's logic.
     
  11. Opus

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    I don't feel subjugated by anyone. I'm as happy as a simple man could be. I conduct myself and my business in an honorable way and therefore I don't have any problems.
    I do wish people would stop speculating about things they know nothing about. None of you 3, @Farmerbob1, @gentleroger ,@Dave_in_AZ are contractors for Schneider, yet you all feel qualified to remark on what they should or should not do; you're not. Nor am I qualified to remark on what would make Landstar, Crete, or the training department of Schneider better. I consider all 3 of you TTR friends and I'm not trying to bust your balls, but none of you know what you're talking about. Furthermore, and more to the point, none of you, nor I, have any idea what the new contract entails.
    I've got a meeting set up with my guy on Monday. I'll let you know what I find out.

    "Subjugated"..... oh my
     
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