Please help me understand this violation

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  1. farmboy73

    farmboy73 Medium Load Member

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    I am a US driver. I took a 10 hour break starting at 19:38 yesterday. I went on duty at 5:39 today. I had about 20 minutes of US drive time left when I reached the border. At that point, I switched to Canadian rules. I then drove another 1 hr 36 minutes in Canada. I shut down at 20:26.

    My log shows 12h 22m total driving. 13h 16m total on duty time today. I have a “minimum 10-hour off-duty per day violation” with ALL of my drive time underlined in red, which popped up at the very last moment.

    it was my understanding that I could drive 13 hours in Canada. Perhaps I am overlooking something obvious, but can someone please explain why this happened so I can avoid it going forward? Thanks in advance!
     
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  3. sirjeff

    sirjeff Medium Load Member

    I wonder if the ELD thinks youre in violation because of the rule set thats in there?

    That day you logged is just fine under Canadian HOS
     
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  4. farmboy73

    farmboy73 Medium Load Member

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    I looked closer, the log rolled over and showed my 11/14 available this morning, and was counting down like normal all day. Apparently, the ELD all the sudden decided that 19:38 until 05:39 is not ten full hours at the tail end of the day. SMH ‍♂️‍♂️
     
  5. Magoo1968

    Magoo1968 Road Train Member

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    The way the Canadian rules are set up is you need 10 hrs off duty from midnight to midnight eligible blocks of 30 minutes or more count towards you’re 10 hrs judging from you’re start time to end time you needed 47 minutes of eligible off duty time during the day
     
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  6. upnorthwpg

    upnorthwpg Road Train Member

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    You logged in a minute early. You’re in violation. Always wait until at least a full minute past your 10 before moving or logging in.
     
  7. farmboy73

    farmboy73 Medium Load Member

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    Using my country math, that’s 11 hours and one minute.
     
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  8. upnorthwpg

    upnorthwpg Road Train Member

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    Eld’s are funny. It’s probably off by 30 seconds. It’s silly, I know.
     
  9. gentleroger

    gentleroger Road Train Member

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    19:38 to midnight is 4:22.
    Midnight to 5:39 is 5:39.

    4:22 plus 5:39 equals 10:01.

    If you went off duty at 19:39:59 and on duty at 5:39:01 it's 10:00:02. So that's not the problem, but it is a good 'best practice' to wait until 10:01 before going on duty.

    The problem is you went on dutybat 5:39 and off duty at 20:26, which is 14:47. Assuming you took an exact 30 minute break, that leaves you with 14:17 on duty inn the last 24 hours, which is a violation in Canada. I'm guessing that you had a little more than that off duty, which is why the violation kicked off at the very end.
     
  10. gentleroger

    gentleroger Road Train Member

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    19:38 to midnight is 4:22.
    Midnight to 5:39 is 5:39.

    4:22 plus 5:39 equals 10:01.

    If you went off duty at 19:39:59 and on duty at 5:39:01 it's 10:00:02. So that's not the problem, but it is a good 'best practice' to wait until 10:01 before going on duty.

    The problem is you went on dutybat 5:39 and off duty at 20:26, which is 14:47. Assuming you took an exact 30 minute break, that leaves you with 14:17 on duty inn the last 24 hours, which is a violation in Canada. I'm guessing that you had a little more than that off duty, which is why the violation kicked off at the very end.
     
  11. kylefitzy

    kylefitzy Road Train Member

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    This^ sounds like you went over your 14 in Canada. You can extend your 14 up to 2 hours by taking 30+ off duty/sb.

    also another thing to keep track of as a cross border driver, in the last 14 days you need to have had at least 24 consecutive hours off. Also the resets are 36 hours, although it would be pretty hard to take a 34 and run out of recap in Canada since they use a 7 day cycle.
     
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