Pros and Cons of Roehl's Tax Free plan?

Discussion in 'Roehl' started by doninwooster, Feb 25, 2018.

  1. jammer910Z

    jammer910Z Road Train Member

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    @doninwooster ... that's one of the conundrums
    If you're young.. and think social security may be available later in life.. you want your taxable income as high as possible during your prime earning years. A 33% discpunt on reportwd earnings really hurts that annual average.
    Also, if you want to buy a home, or vehicles and need loans, your reported income is much lower and you won't qualify for as much of a loan.

    Some say, "take the extra money each week and save it for a down payment".
    But how many have the will power for that?
    Very few.
     
  2. STexan

    STexan Road Train Member

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    Yes. FWIW, SS benefits later could be affected [in a negative way] by taking per diem option today. Granted, SS is not to be relied on, it's the principle of the thing. The other things that really piss me off is
    1. Some carriers actually "charge" the driver to run the per diem "plan" (As noted by Roehl here)
    2. Carriers use this as a huge payroll tax reduction vehicle
    3. Carriers also use this vehicle to lessen unemployment and Workers comp insurance rates at the expense of drivers
    So, lot's of immediate and mid-range plus's for the carrier but whatever plus's the driver can focus on are later offset by minus's. Per diem is nothing new, but this farce "tax cut" is practically forcing [OTR] drivers to participate in a plan they otherwise would never dream of participating in. Typical progressive government/corporation tactic ... if they won't go willingly, "strongly nudge" them.

    If the carrier also offers a 401k match that exceeds a certain threshold [that I'm not exactly sure what it is] then one could make the argument that participating in the per diem plan and adding in a 401k contribution will provide more money in retirement phase of life. But if they don't match at least what they're ultimately saving in payroll tax expenses, then the driver is getting shafted in the long-term and potentially in the short term if there is a serious illness or injury where they need to rely on supplemental income insurance or worker's comp.
     
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  3. STexan

    STexan Road Train Member

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    Around this time next year? There is going to be a serious call to arms of the OTR trucker community once they figure out what has happened and how they are forced to choose between two bad options
    1. pay more in taxes then last year because they can't itemize meals and other expenses,
    2. or take the per diem option to get at least some (and only some) of the lost tax savings back

    But I'm launching my own personal crusade to get congress to relook at this bill's intent. I just don't think they expected or intended blue collar OTR truck drivers to effectively end up paying more in income taxes as is the case for those who spend the vast majority of their time on the road. But it's not just truckers. Lots of industry workers are going to be negatively impacted by this and forced into company per diem plans.

    A single OTR driver. Okay, his standard deduction went up $5,700 with the new tax bill. So what? For this, they gave up the ability to deduct Example: 250 days out @ $63 (x 80%) which equates to $12,000. Where I went to school, reducing my taxable wages by $12,000 is better then reducing them by $5,700. And never mind all the other things we used to rightfully be able to itemize like hotels and paid showers, and other specific job-related costs incurred. And for those like me, the penalty is much worse because we stay out much more than 250 days/yr.

    "Okay, so take the per diem plan and save taxes that way?" Really, that's your response? Save the carrier more money then the collective per diem drivers save in "tax savings"? The government and states will find a way to make up for that tax loss from carrier payroll tax roles, and I got news for you, the average blue collar worker will be the first source of blood they attach to when the time comes .... and the time is now. ala the loss of form 2106 for employee workers.

    The tax rate stayed the same. The standard deduction went up. The ability to itemize [and reduce taxable income] was thrown out. Can anybody see how this is a "tax cut"? It's only more smoke and mirrors out of Washington. If they are going to overhaul the tax system then go all the way ... stop screwing around out on the margins and playing games with the American taxpayer like you always do.
     
  4. Scooter Jones

    Scooter Jones Road Train Member

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    Good luck with your crusade. Did you spearhead an ELD boycott too? ;-)
     
  5. JOHNQPUBLIC

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    I do not think any company can force you to take per diem and you are not confusing yourself. What you said is correct and you would be giving up 1.5 cents per mile for all miles driven for that "benefit". You are also lowering your W2 income for loan purposes etc...
     
  6. mjgourl

    mjgourl Bobtail Member

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    Lets do math!!!
    120,000 X .45= $54,000 gross per year
    120,000 X .11= $13,200
    New gross $40,800
    Sign up for tax plan
    120,000 X .015=$1800 you lose Roehl wins.
    PROFIT SHARING IS BASED ON YOUR GROSS PAY FOR THE YEAR. If Roehl's profit sharing is 3% (this year 2.7%) you would lose $396 on top of you already losing $1800. You are doing THE Same amount of work in a year. Roehl is pocketing your profit sharing plus the .015 cpm they charge you for being on the plan.
    Not only are you paying less in SS taxes BUT SO IS ROEHL. You pay 7.5% and Roehl pays 7.5 %. If your gross is lower Roehl wins again by you doing THE Same amount of work in a year.
    If 100 drivers are on the tax plan, Roehl EASILY pockets $200,000 a year. You want to know why Roehl is pushing this plan? It is not for your benefit that's for sure.
     
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  7. xsetra

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    • Your estimated benefits are based on current law. The law governing benefit amounts may change because, by 2034, the payroll taxes collected will be enough to pay only about 77 cents for each dollar of scheduled benefits.
    Good luck with SS.
     
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