Spring Suspension Tandem Dump Truck Ride

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  1. SL3406

    SL3406 Medium Load Member

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    It's going to take a purpose built heavy spec truck to hold up carrying that kind of weight. 20k or heavier steer axle, 2 20k pound lift axles, and 46k or heavier drive axles.
     
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  3. OldRed98

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    I was thinking that with 80,000 pounds (divided by 5 axles) would be about 16,000 per axle. The mid section lift axles will transfer more to the drives. But with the right weight distribution shouldn’t have more than 20k on any axle and even less on the steers. But I’m new to the idea of quad dump trucks. But not looking to gross more than 80k.
     
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    I was focused on the 110k, and missed that you only wanted to gross 79k. I would still want the 20k steer axle and 46k rears because you will have to raise the lift axles to back up anywhere.
     
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    Yeah thats a good point. I'm due for front springs and king pins anyways. I've seen some 20K fronts for $5000 - $6000. Which is about what the suspension shop charges for springs and King Pins.

    And I wonder what my rears are. According to the door sticker I have 40K's. But this dump truck is super heavy (27,000 empty). Besides a double frame and steel 16 foot box... I can't figure out why its so heavy. and its geared super low and slow.
     
  6. Gambino1994

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    I know the op has a dump truck with Hendrickson and an AG100 is usually not liked for a dump truck.

    My daycab semi tractor w9 with Hendrickson RTE has, what looks to me anyways, the same torque rod setup as an ag100. I look at ag100 cutoffs online and the center crossmember that the front and rear torque rods bolt to is the same as mine. I feel like I could get the ag100 cutoff and be about half ahead of the game by drilling new holes in my current frame and bolting up the ag axles/torque rods/center suspension brackets etc

    Nobody messes with ag100 anymore so they’re somewhat cheap and plentiful and good lord it’s gotta be more forgiving than a Rte
     
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  7. Gambino1994

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    I’ll betcha other than the double frame I got the same suspension you got. I have a 3/8 single frame
     

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  8. OldRed98

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    looks like my same truck but without the dump box.

    I’ve made the decision that my best option is a quad axle dump truck for the work I do. But I haven’t figured out if it’s best to buy a quad (knowing it will be 80k for a truck that might still need work). Or if it’s possible to convert my current truck to a quad. I have the axle space. I would need 2 steerable pushers and to relocate the fuel tank and hydraulic tank. My hesitation is if I can haul 80k on this truck frame. I have a 3/8 inch frame with the mid section double framed. My frame is in excellent shape (no rust jacking or issues). Honestly my current truck seems to be better than what I see for sale.

    if I had 40k on drives then would only have about 13,300 on my 2 pushers and steer.
     
  9. W923

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    I would have significant concerns about the back of the frame to. I have seen and fixed multiple trucks that bent/broke between the rear axle support and the hinge point. That’s a lot of weight to hold up if it’s tough dirt and you have to shake it out. It’s a bigger problem on Hendrickson and similar suspensions because the support point is quite a bit farther forward than a 4 spring or similar air suspension
     
  10. OldRed98

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    Good to know. I was a little worried about what will happen when you raise the pusher axles to back in and dump. That’s when you have some serious weight on 3 axles. So maybe converting my truck isn’t the best idea.

    I see a lot of older quads that don’t look like they were built for the weight. But having a hard time finding reasonably priced quads that are heavy spec trucks. I watched some at Ritchie Brothers that looked like junk and still sold for 75-85k.
     
  11. Gambino1994

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    I’m always amazed at the dump truck/semi laws by state, there’s nothing more than a few 54000 gross tandem dump trucks here in Illinois, everything else is 73280 gross dump trailers like mine. I did a bunch of truckin in Indiana and there’s tandems with two lift axles all over running I think 75000? And I think they wave the gross limit on asphalt jobs. Ohio has dump bodies bigger than my dump trailer
     
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