Stupid incompetant people

Discussion in 'Arrow' started by Pyro, May 16, 2007.

  1. Pyro

    Pyro Bobtail Member

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    I am posting this in hopes it saves at least one person from making the mistake of Arrow trucking. I loaded a coil that was 44620lbs. which I secured with five chains. One pulling straight down, two towards the front and two towards the rear. I tarped the load and left. After delivering the load a day early I went to the terminal in Tulsa (I delivered right down the road in Sand Springs) to get a steering tire replaced and a PM done. Once at the terminal I was informed another Arrow driver contacted my DM and gave my truck number and said I had insufficiant securement on my coil. I asked my DM if this worthl;ess rat mentioned how many chains I did have, and he said yes the driver said you had five. My response was so why are we having this conversation. To make a long story short I had to draw a diagram, show the load securement regulations, and do the math for him before he finally realized that five chains was legally sufficiant for the coil I had. This and many other reasons are why I am looking for a new job and leaving these incompetant morons ASAP
     
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  3. tomtruckr

    tomtruckr Bobtail Member

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    It is called constructive criticism, take it with a grain of salt, the other driver was just doing his job, protecting you and everyone else around you. Don't be offended by it. Hauling coils is very tricky, if you don't know how to secure them. I would say 5 chains was plenty, but maybe the other guy was just concerned. Drive safe
     
  4. Brickman

    Brickman Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    5 chains isn't enough. Unless you are using far heavier chains than most do the load rating is 5400 lbs. 5 chains is good for 25,000 lbs. To proper secure that much weight you would need 8.25 chains, round that up to 9. Thats for standard 3/8" chains. If you were using 1/2" then 5 chains would have been enough. 1/2" is rated at 9200 lbs for standard grade.

    Your company may not have been as stupid and incompetent as you think.
     
  5. Angeleyes

    Angeleyes Bobtail Member

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    Pyro,
    I agree that 5 chains where NOT enough, they showed you, just like everyone else, how to tie down coils and how many chains to use in orientation just like they did everybody else. But if you want to be one of the Arrow drivers that lose loads every week, then only put 5 chains on the coil. Maybe the stupid, incompatant person here isn't Arrow. We drive for Arrow, and they are outstanding. Maybe you would be better off pulling a van....Sorry, but you sound like all these other whiny drivers we hear EVERY DAY on the CB....Best of luck with someone else, since you think the grass is greener on the other side, it sn't, and you'll find that out that it isn't for yourself
     
  6. Truck Vet

    Truck Vet <strong>NRA AMA Libertarian</strong>

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    You did not say what kind of punishment that they did to you
    as a result. If all they did was critisize you I think you are
    being overly defensive. Some Van companies write you
    up if you get complaints from 4 wheelers on how you drive.
    You don't even get to know where it came from so if you
    have an angry ex wife I guess your in bad shape.
    If all they did was ask how you secured the load,
    it sounds like a good company to me.
     
  7. formerarrowdriver

    formerarrowdriver Bobtail Member

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    Yea Arrow has an outstanding rating - just check the government rating - 97.4. 100 being the worst!

    ai.fmcsa.dot.gov > click on the picture> click safestat online > enter DOT #34180
     
  8. Angeleyes

    Angeleyes Bobtail Member

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    And who's fault is that?? Not Arrow's fault for sure...if Arrow would stop hiring incompantant students and start hiring more people like my hubby, the safty rating would be great....28 years, no accidents, no load claims, always on time, and respects other drivers...But they hire students and incompatant people who don't know thier 5th wheel from the nose of their tractor. Scott can go anywhere he wants, so if Arrow does him wrong, it's no big deal, he would rather pull heavy haul like he used to anyway.......
    :biggrin_25525:
     
  9. SpeedyWho

    SpeedyWho Light Load Member

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    When I haul a coil I use more than the minimum rec. How long does it take the toss an extra chain or 2. I over did it with suicide coils lots of chains and a strap or 2(easier to tarp not Securement purposes), and I hauled the Gorge on I40 with them
     
  10. SimTrucker

    SimTrucker Bobtail Member

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    Arrow's safety rating is one thing, and the printed materials they give all drivers on load securing is another. They do "preach" on securing loads, but don't take it to heart. Misunderstandings happen all the time. DM's at Tulsa have a lot on their plate. Some are good people, some are friggin ##########, but hey, that's with every company.

    Be Safe.
     
  11. braindead

    braindead Bobtail Member

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    :biggrin_25516:quit whining.....arrow may indeed have a bad rating....but i can honestly say they do have a great training class which some probably fell asleep in. You want something to whine about...try lease purchase with them....you get to make your payments drive all sorts of miles and make no money for your family at home..., then finally call it quits after 9 months have # $10,000 in escrow just to have them deduct it all then send you a check and a christmas card for $10...plz don't whine....overall arrow ain't all that bad.
     
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