Alright I too apologize for my attack. I have made some dumb decisions in my carrer. I just sometimes don't understand why a good man would leave his yard to jump into a greener one without noticing how it is. I have a friend that did the same thing who put his entire family in bankrupcy. bad deal.
United Parcel Service, Inc. - Aurora, Il.
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I don't know why the guy went to UPS other than their good reputation.
Before I went after my Union job I asked around. I talked to several
drivers. They didn't lie to me but they didn't tell me everything either.
I was amazed that certain drivers that were so old and worn out
could make such good money. I had been used to being paid by the mile
and had lost a lot of my life waiting around. Waiting for a manifest, waiting for a tire to get changed you name it. I was an experienced delivery driver in great physical shape and I thought that if I busted
my tail for them someday I would get some health benifits maybe even a
pension. I will admit my first couple weeks I wasn't much good, I was
going from working nights to days and figuring out how to drive a truck
without power steering. But after a few months I was able to compare
what I did with what drivers with much more experiance did and I
was pulling my weight. Where I screwed up is I should have asked the
drivers how many casual drivers they went through in the last 5 years
and what happened to them. Before I quit my other job. Nobody is to
blame but me. In the whole time I was there I never showed disrespect to
anyone but it may be possible that if I was better at politics I would still be there today
If I'm not mistaken, you start off as what is called a "casual" at union LTL's. This must be the "probationary period" that was mentioned. As a casual, you aren't on the seniority list yet, so you're not going to work much until this period is over.
yes, never jump to a job without spending some time asking questions to
people you know that work there. i never had a hard time going up to ups
feeder drivers that are at truck stops and convience stores(never hard to find
them there haha) and ask them questions either. most are more than willing
to answer since they are going through the [hassle] right now.
now i cannot speak for your interview at ups but i went to highschool with
the HR guy in that region. and he said he could NOT guarantee any amount
of hours a week or anything. he could only guarantee that it would be
seasonal and i would be laid off after the season. at that time they could
offer full time employment or i could reapply for the next season. no insurance
and if i was in an accident my fault or thiers i was fired and could not work
for them again.
then he told me about a guy that has worked 6 years as a seasonal feeder
driver trying to get on full time and they were going to hire him after this
season. thats when i said "ok man, thanks for your time" haha
he also told me that if i was happy where i was at and made decent money
that i should stay with them and not roll the dice there. i wish the best for
your son but if he gets in an accident then he could be without anything,
atleast at this point he can borrow money or get a part time job.
just some more fyi, even when you get hired on fulltime its not guaranteed
hours. you could not work at all some weeks....thats just how it is. i talked
to a couple box drivers that has coworkers go feeder only to sit at home quite
a bit...these are guys that were with the company some time before they
became feeders. so for the example above, and this is just hear say but you
could be a seasonal 6 years maybe get hired on and still barely work for some
breaking into this job you either have to have a wife that makes good money
and is willing to put up with you being called and having to go to work at a
moments notice, working different shifts all the time. this is probably good for
the guy that owns his business and can come and go when he wants.
oh and i seriously doubt the time you put seasonal goes toward your pension
To answer Chasser's question" Why don't we find another job" ? A lot
of us do. On another post there was a survey, and I found out a
lot of us have been to 3 or more jobs in the last 2 years (me included).
All my jobs have been LTL. One route I had I went to most states in
the eastern US. It seemed like I could never get enough sleep, I was
driveing a day cab sleeping in bunkrooms or haveing to double up with
drivers I had never met. One day I shared a room with an angry Muslim
guy that snored and would pray in the corner. Don't get me wrong
to each his own it but it was just hard to sleep. When you work
somwhere that your on the road and tired its hard to get around to
putting in aplications. Your energy level is not very high. And you
don't look forward to being 'the new guy'. Some of us may have speeding
tickets, acidents or some other reason why we wait to switch companies.
We are just waiting for the right oportunity.
UPS----Read the story for yourself. Sure you can make high wages and have great benefits, but you sell yourself. The the story of one 24 veteran . I have a very dear friend who UPS lied to and he left a well paying job to work for UPS and now after 7 months, he is broke. He got one trip last week and this has been the norm. Even during this "peak season" UPS is using "contractors" and the full time drivers are left sitting at home.
On May 13, 2003, Dan O'Shea was discharged from UPS after a 24-year career.
As you will read in the filed lawsuit, Dan O'Shea was subjected to the normal UPS company policy. Which for many UPSers know, is that to UPS, the only policy they truly have is that "there is no policy."
Those who work at UPS know that not only does policy change daily, even hourly, many times policy is different for some than for the majority
Which division did he work for, the parcel side or the heavy freight side (formerly Overnite Trans)?
He worked for the parcel side. Even this week, the "peak" of the "peak season" he has only gotten 2 days of work. The driver right above him in senority had $16,000 in savings when he started with UPS in May of this year and he has used up all of the $16,000 trying to "stay afloat".
In my opinion, if you are not single and living at home with mom and dad, you better stay away from UPS parcel side. There isnt no way that a man with obligations can survive there.
OH, let me mention this. There aint a bit of use to complain to the union. The Teamsters and UPS are "sleeping together".
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