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Whats a fair wage for hauling hay

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by AzKapulet, Aug 30, 2009.

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  1. Aug 30, 2009 #1
    AzKapulet

    AzKapulet Bobtail Member

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    I am new to this, My step father just bought a couple old hay trucks and is currently getting them road ready. He wants me to drive for them, hauling hay. This is a full size cab-over tractor with flat bed, pulling a trailer behind as well.

    They are offering to pay me 100.00 per day, I am responsible for my taxes, I am also expected to be out on the road 10 plus days at a time. I will not make no more than 100.00 per day no matter how much I do

    Is this a fair wage? Please note that there is no medical or benefits of any type currently offered. The truck is old and may require alot of maint. to stay on the road which I have been told minor repairs are my responsibility, and major repairs, a service truck will be dispatched to my location.
     
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  3. Aug 30, 2009 #2
    stranger

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    Those are great wages............. for him.
     
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  4. Aug 30, 2009 #3
    Big Duker

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    Tell them to go jump in the lake. You could beat that doing fast food.
     
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  5. Aug 30, 2009 #4
    Working Class Patriot

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    $100 a day.....as an employee or as an O/O?

    How far are you hauling?????

    You should be grossing $500 per day as an O/O......


    When I haul hay, it's paid by the ton.....

    And shorter distances pay better......

    Say you get a load that pays $40 per ton.....

    So most flats can get 22 tons at least so that's $880.00

    If that load is going say 500 miles.....that's $1.76/m

    Now if you are going 100 miles......that's $.88/m.......
    Huge difference......

    Crushed cars are the same way btw......
     
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  7. Aug 30, 2009 #5
    AzKapulet

    AzKapulet Bobtail Member

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    I am not an owner operator. I will be driving my step fathers truck. As for distance I am not sure on that, but they stay i will be putting in a good solid day every day I work
     
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  8. Aug 30, 2009 #6
    stranger

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    On a good day you will make $10.00 per hour, less the taxes you will be paying that he is supposed to pay. After your regular taxes, and the taxes you are paying he is supposed to, you will be lucky to net $65.00.

    You will probably put in a lot of 12 hour days. You are expected to be a mechanic, and still get your loads delivered. You have no insurance, holidays, or vacation paid. I can almost guarantee you will not be covered by workmans comp insurance. Why would he follow the law on this, if he doesn't mind breaking the law and paying you as a contractor, by issueing you a 1099. He is doing this to save himself money at your expense.

    As for the workmans comp. What is going to happen if you get hurt? You have no insurance, so you will get no money. I bet you will also be stuck for any tickets the truck receives because you are supposed to keep it up.

    HE IS TRYING TO USE YOU.
     
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  9. Aug 30, 2009 #7
    msmspilot

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    You'll have to check with a CPA, but I'm pretty sure stranger has it right. You'll be operating as an independent contractor for pay purposes, but in the IRS's eyes, you'll be an employee. It doesn't really affect you so much legally, but it will affect your pay check big time, and your job could suddenly disappear if the IRS catches on.

    It's possible he doesn't realize it's illegal to pay you that way, but I'm going to bet he's just trying to run illegal in his pay scale.

    IRS guidance on employee vs. independent contractor

    On this page, look under the "Financial" tab, and I think you'll see that your step father either doesn't know what he's doing or is trying to screw you royally.
     
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  10. Aug 30, 2009 #8
    AzKapulet

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    Thanks for all the ideas. This has made a more clear picture of what i should expect. Any other comments or opinions on this matter are greatly appreciated and will definately be used in my consideration to work for my step father as well as a tool to show him where he is making a mistake that could cost him dearly.
     
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  11. Aug 30, 2009 #9
    JahB

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    At 19 or 20, your first job, all local, that wouldn't be such a bad deal, if you were still living at home. You're 34.
     
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  12. Aug 30, 2009 #10
    Brickman

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    Dude your step dad hates you.


    RUN away from this yob.
     
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