Would you participate?

Discussion in 'Car Hauler and Auto Carrier Trucking Forum' started by Kozakvod, May 13, 2019.

  1. jeffman164

    jeffman164 Medium Load Member

    Dec 4, 2012
    I personally think that it is a good idea. There are numerous brokers who I won't even look at what they have to offer anymore because of past problems. Everyone is new once. If other new and the - not so bright drivers were forewarned , maybe they wouldn't get screwed over in the first place either.
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  3. ast26909

    ast26909 Medium Load Member

    Mar 1, 2018
    The concept of a free market is lost to some, they will never comprehend it. The idea that a transporter moves a car using newer, more expensive equipment at a higher cost therefore the transporter is 'worth' more is just irrational and ridiculous. To the customer that transporter is worth LESS because he moves the car at higher cost. The free market drives innovation, motivation and self-determination not to mention price-fixing is illegal.
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  5. Red Pill

    Red Pill Bobtail Member

    Oct 13, 2017
    Grow up
  6. Hulld

    Hulld Road Train Member

    Oct 19, 2015
    Upstate NY
    I’m in!
    All the nay sayers just want to cry the blues but when it comes time to man up they won’t get off off there ### and at least try.
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  7. Kozakvod

    Kozakvod Medium Load Member

    Jan 24, 2013
    I would be most interested in seeing these other websites that are available to car haulers, can you share?
    Which trade org do you speak about?

    Yes I too know my numbers and I don't haul what I know won't make me money. And I know there are others that simply don't know and or don't care, but again, what I'm talking about isn't about the driver and what they are or are not doing. It's about brokers that intentionally post cheap freight and letting those brokers know that they're being called out about their practices in a very public way. Whether that changes anything or not, I have no idea, but I do know this, if we're not willing to facilitate change nothing ever will.
  8. Kozakvod

    Kozakvod Medium Load Member

    Jan 24, 2013
    Everyone and their cousin? I think not. And if by everyone you mean the example of "priceline" well that's a very horrible comparison to us and what we do.The end user of Priceline, me/you/us, are we making available our services to them in order to make money? No we're not. So how do you remotely make some idealistic comparison to Prineline's model and what we do?

    The customer that you're referring too in that example would be us, and I'm sorry, what something of value am I getting by a broker posting cheap freight? Nothing. I get nothing of value.

    A perfect example. A load was recently posted on CD, NM to OK. And it was a SMOKIN' price, I called and booked it. It was so good I deadheaded from TX to get it. That same load showed up under some broker out of AZ $500 (WITH terms) for less than what it paid me directly from the dealer, I was paid COD.

    Any broker is perfectly able to post any load for whatever price he wants to post it for, but what's his risk? NONE. What's mine? ALL OF IT! That broker pilfered a load on CD posted by a dealer and then reposted the same load for $500 UNDER what the dealer posted it for. He tried to hide himself by showing the listing as the pick up location being Phoenix AZ, but in the notes he said "actual pickup in NM." The dealer had no knowledge of it at all. I called the broker and he was really excited and ready to give me the load until I said "I delivered that load 2 days ago. And what you did is highly unethical." He immediately hung up on me and the load was removed.

    If we as a group of car haulers are just willing to be WALKED on and over by the brokerage community then we deserve everything we get, and to just stick your head in the sand isn't the solution either. I care deeply about this business, I love what I do. We all take enormous risks and assume every ounce of liability every time we turn the key, isn't that worth something to you? It is to me!

    Finally, in your first response to my post you told me to "grow up." Who does that? Who says that to someone they don't know? The only thing I see that you've done in both of your responses is to "DEFEND THE BROKERS" and insult me for even suggesting such an idea. Which leads me to my final question...

    Are you actually a broker? What sort of O/O would work so hard to defend the brokers?
    Last edited: May 14, 2019
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  9. pavrom

    pavrom Road Train Member

    Apr 29, 2012
    NE illinois
    I would not waste time and money if i was you even though i feel your pain . Different people , regions , routes etc .. there are always people that go in and someone getting out . People hear stories about car haulers being paid so well and they are ready to dive in not knowing all the details , once they are in and spent some money already - there is no way back , most of them will be fighting till the end and barely making any money , blowing just about anything they see on the load board to make ends meet , feed the families , pay the bills etc . I guess i wasn't smart enough to succeed in car hauling ( to each their own definition of success ) , i didnt have any contracts or constant customers during 6 years doing car hauling starting from pick up and 4 car hauler and ended with 3 high rail stingers ( they were not new but all paid off ) , just last year i decided to switch to flat/step deck due to some reasons . Same situation in dry vans , reefers , flats etc and dont see it getting any better any time soon . If i was you i would try to change route , type of work , scheduling , talk to more successful guys in this industry for better , look for other options , dont accumulate negative energy and stress inside - it will hurt and eat you eventually . For example i started chicago-LA -chicago mostly POV , six month later i switched to chicago-nj/ny- chicago salvage to the east , dealer cars back , last 2 years i had one customer giving me tonn of that salvage for 1 drop off and multiple stop for pick ups/drops back , some guys do just new cars and back haul empty . Good luck
  10. Atlanta trucker

    Atlanta trucker Road Train Member

    Jan 25, 2017
    Best of luck
    Hope your ideas take off and you change the world
  11. Ziggy319

    Ziggy319 Medium Load Member

    Mar 27, 2012
    The 2 different trade organizations for car haulers specifically are The Independent Auto Transporters Alliance. Web site is IATA DOT BIZ. And the other is the auto haulers association of America. As far as the websites I know of is AUTOTRANSPORTEVERYTHING DOT COM
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  12. CMN19

    CMN19 Bobtail Member

    Jan 5, 2019
    Boilerplate response,Wow! Of course this is one reason CSA 2010 was created...to get junk -unmaintained equipment OFF the roads so we all can be SAFER. I always want the most efficient newest equipment available to have less maintenance expense and keep quality drivers. So if someone isn't willing to pay for my services there are plenty more who value their freight not being hung up in a tree instead of their lot that will pay a premium for it.
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  13. Nobroker

    Nobroker Medium Load Member

    Jul 1, 2016
    I agree there was a time when the rate was not listed on central dispatch just the load and contact info. With prices posted they collude to keep downward pressue on rates. Yes Collude.
    Central dispatch main goal is pushing auction sales to the largest market.
    The point missed is brokers are not offereing low rates they just somehow feel they are entitled to 40% for booking the load.
    Last edited: May 19, 2019
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