HOS question

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  1. HighwaySuperTramp

    HighwaySuperTramp Medium Load Member

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    Now this sounds stupid, but I know just about every other rule aside from the Canadian split sleeper. I even understand and use the US split sleeper when I needed it when I ran reefer.

    I don't really need the Split sleeper rule to use it since my runs are fairly reasonable, I just want to know how it works, and please avoid using regulatory jargon. That's half the issue most people dont understand the laws. Lol

    So crayon and color paper me.
     
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    not4hire Road Train Member

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    Well, if you use and understand the US split-break rules, then you can use the Canadian split-break rules. They are very similar, but the Canadian rules are more flexible.

    Canadian split-break:
    • two blocks of time
    • both blocks must be sleeper berth
    • the two blocks together must add up to 10 hours
    • the lesser of the two blocks cannot be less than 2 hours, other than that, they can be any combination adding up to 10; so, 3.5 + 6.5, 7.75 + 2.25, etc.
    • adding up the on-duty periods both before and after each of the blocks of time spent in the sleeper berth, you cannot exceed your 13, 14 or 16 hour clocks
    • any on-duty time, off-duty not in the sleeper, or non-qualifying sleeper time (eg. less than 2 hours) counts towards the 16 hour clock
    • cannot be used in conjunction with the Deferral rule
    The rules are actually reasonably straightforward.

    I have found this document to be very helpful too.

    The only other thing to keep in mind is that your daily limits on your 13, 14 and 16 still apply and you must have at least 10 hours off-duty/sleeper berth in a day.
     
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  3. HighwaySuperTramp

    HighwaySuperTramp Medium Load Member

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    Reading it like this, it made perfect sense. I could never make sense of it out of the book, and I've met no one who could explain it anything like this. It was some arbitrary and complicated thing. Thank you so much
     
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    “both blocks must be sleeper berth”

    That’s actually incorrect. The 2-hour block can just as well be recorded off-duty as long as you spent the time resting.
     
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    tinytim Road Train Member

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    I think you're talking about the US rules.
     
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    not4hire Road Train Member

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    Canadian rules required both of the split-break periods in the sleeper.

    Splitting of Daily Off-duty Time — Single Driver
    • 18 (1) A driver who is driving a commercial vehicle fitted with a sleeper berth may meet the mandatory off-duty time and daily off-duty time requirements of sections 13 and 14 by accumulating off-duty time in no more than 2 periods if
      • (a) neither period of off-duty time is shorter than 2 hours;

      • (b) the total of the 2 periods of off-duty time is at least 10 hours;

      • (c) the off-duty time is spent resting in the sleeper berth;

      • (d) the total of the driving time in the periods immediately before and after each of the periods of off-duty time does not exceed 13 hours;

      • (e) the elapsed time in the periods immediately before and after each of the periods of off-duty time does not include any driving time after the 16th hour after the driver comes on-duty;

      • (f) none of the daily off-duty time is deferred to the next day; and

      • (g) the total of the on-duty time in the periods immediately before and after each of the periods of off-duty time referred to in paragraph (b) does not include any driving time after the 14th hour.
     
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    tinytim Road Train Member

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    As far as Canadian rules go 8 off duty gives you a fresh work shift, no splitting required.
     
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    EddieK Bobtail Member

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    You’re own link proves you wrong bud.

    There’s no requirement for drivers to record time spent in the sleeper as sleeper berth it can
     
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    You’re own link proves you wrong bud.

    There’s no requirement for drivers to record time spent in the sleeper as sleeper berth it can be just as well recorded off-duty
     
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    not4hire Road Train Member

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    :rolleyes:
    How are you going to comply with 18(1)(c) if it isn't recorded as sleeper berth time?

    Officer: I notice you recorded 6 hours sleeper berth and your second period of 4 hours as off-duty, but you're trying to claim a split-break. Where was second period of 4 hours spent?

    EddieK: In the sleeper.

    Officer: But that isn't what your logs say, and under the split-break rule, both periods must be in the sleeper.

    EddieK: Yeah, I was resting in the sleeper.

    Officer: Well, that isn't what your logs say. You can park it over there to take your 10 out-of-service.​
     
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