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LOGSRUS: How can anyone post-trip the trailer they are dropping and complete the Driver Vehicle Inspection Report (396.11), then drop the trailer, then hook to the new trailer, then pre-trip the new trailer 392.7) and record the time on an RDS in less that 8 minutes (flagging rule), or for that matter less than 15 minutes (see my post in this section under "been 5-years since I drove") to which you agreed??????????????

Maybe I'm being an instigator in this instance but I fail to see it happening unless the driver is also named Clark Kent & he came from another planet.

 

aha - this brings up a question...

If I'm doing a D&H, is a post trip (DVIR) needed on the dropped trailer? I know if I drive a second truck, it is - but is a trailer considered a "vehicle"?

(Note: I always conducted the inspection anyway - the last thing I wanted was another driver mad at me because the trailer had some issue. I even made sure reefers were fully fueled when I dropped them)

 

Yes. It is the end of your working day for that vehicle. The word vehicle in this instance takes on a very broad term. So a trailer is in fact a vehicle. I believe the Websters dictionary also defines it a a vehicle. In addition, J J Keller actually makes books the size of a log page that is nothing but DVIR's for this purpose.

Many safety directors are ex drivers and/or ex state officers and don't know the rules. With this in mind it becomes easy to understand why the extra DVIR books are not offered to drivers.

 

Look at my response in this section under the item: "Been 5 years since I drove". It is an explanation as the the rules that require inspections of the vehicle. I think you'll find it interesting.

 

Im thinking maybe you confused who wrote something such as Lurchgs.

I said thanks to you for confirming a driver would log line 4 for post-trip inspections as many of the drivers are not doing this today!



Im not sure where you get me saying they can flag a post-trip in less than 8 minutes? I stress to the drivers that it will take # least 15 minutes and honestly a good post-trip inspection is going to take 30 minutes! Which I am focusing on the post-trip inspection required # the end of the day.

Now if a driver is dropping, hooking & post-tripping I know it's going to take # least 30 minutes!

Also again: I stress to the drivers everything they do is going to take # least 15 minutes! If they can do a pre-trip in less than 7.5 min then flag it, I mean they did just do a thorough inspection the night before and haven't moved the truck.

 

Ok now I found what I believe you are responding to. It helps if you quote since i respond so much sometimes (not as much lately) and I don't have time to run through messages to figure out what's I said previously.


No I what I meant below is if they are just dropping a trailer & post-tripping OR hooking and pre-tripping. Not doing all three at the same time. Sorry didn't mean to mislead anyone.

I again stress to the drivers it's going to take them a minimum of 15 minutes. If they do a fuel along with it I know it will take a min of 30 minutes.

 

Yeap pretty much what I tell drivers. If you don't feel the officer was right call me and we will discuss it. I tell them not to argue with the officer because he pretty much thinks he is right so just go on and call us.

 

I shouldn't have said it that way. I should have said I agree Re. logging the proper time frame. I apologize for any misdirection in that regard.

 

Oh ok, no problem. Had me wondering if I could give drivers some good news for a change about logging line 4 .

 

395.8 Interpretation question 1 does not say it must be under 8 minutes. It states any time under 15 minutes. Can you point me to a section supporting your explanation?