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newbietrucker91 said: ↑

For me I use an empty coolant can to place under the 5th wheel plate to force it the opposite way then drop air bags and move forward and trailer pops right back over.

Quick fix but at Schneider it was something that should never need to be done if you did your back their way.
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Nice thanks for that. Yeah I agree with you also wouldn't need to be done if backed correctly.

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Seems crazy you can be fired for a high hook. Sure if you cause damage to the back of the cab/front of the trailer, but a basic high hook is a 5 minute job to figure out. I carry a chunk of 4x4 just for high hook situations and can't recall how many times I have used it
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If you don't damage anything, it's one thing. Bend the release arm, hit the back of the cab, or in one spectacular case knock the king pin half off - then it's something else.

High hooking isn't a guaranteed firing, but as drivers talk, they don't always differentiate between high hooking and "unplanned disconnects". Any driver who drops as trailer will get fired. Schneider will have the 5th wheel inspected to make sure it wasn't a mechanical fault (it happens), but the shop almost always finds one of two things:

The 5th wheel latches just fine

The 5th wheel wouldn't latch at all because it was too grease covered and frozen.

Bad hooks happen, that's why you check the jaws with a flashlight. And not the flashlight on your phone, those things have such a wide beam you don't see anything. If you see this:

Pull out, pour some diesel over the jaws and try again.
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God prefers Diesels said: ↑

When you back up near the trailer and get out to check and make sure the trailer skid plate is lower than the fifth wheel hinge before you back under it, how do you high hook?

I know it sounds like I'm being a smart ###, but I can't even imagine backing under a trailer without getting out first and assessing things. Keep in mind, I don't know everything either.
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Yeah I did get out the first time before just attempting to connect to it. That's what's killing me. I had to raise the landing gear to get the chasis higher because it was too low. At the time when I went to connect, I still felt like the chasis was too low. But I didn't get out for that second time when my 5th wheel was just under the chasis. That's the neglect.

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Grant3787 said: ↑

Yeah I did get out the first time before just attempting to connect to it. That's what's killing me. I had to raise the landing gear to get the chasis higher because it was too low. At the time when I went to connect, I still felt like the chasis was too low. But I didn't get out for that second time when my 5th wheel was just under the chasis. That's the neglect.
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If you can barely get the prongs of the 5th wheel under the apron, it's not too low.

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gentleroger said: ↑

If you don't damage anything, it's one thing. Bend the release arm, hit the back of the cab, or in one spectacular case knock the king pin half off - then it's something else.

High hooking isn't a guaranteed firing, but as drivers talk, they don't always differentiate between high hooking and "unplanned disconnects". Any driver who drops as trailer will get fired. Schneider will have the 5th wheel inspected to make sure it wasn't a mechanical fault (it happens), but the shop almost always finds one of two things:

The 5th wheel latches just fine

The 5th wheel wouldn't latch at all because it was too grease covered and frozen.

Bad hooks happen, that's why you check the jaws with a flashlight. And not the flashlight on your phone, those things have such a wide beam you don't see anything. If you see this:
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Pull out, pour some diesel over the jaws and try again.
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Oh man I feel like I'm missing something. What's wrong with that picture? The locking Jaw is clearly over the king pin from top to bottom. What am I missing?
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gentleroger said: ↑

If you don't damage anything, it's one thing. Bend the release arm, hit the back of the cab, or in one spectacular case knock the king pin half off - then it's something else.

High hooking isn't a guaranteed firing, but as drivers talk, they don't always differentiate between high hooking and "unplanned disconnects". Any driver who drops as trailer will get fired. Schneider will have the 5th wheel inspected to make sure it wasn't a mechanical fault (it happens), but the shop almost always finds one of two things:

The 5th wheel latches just fine

The 5th wheel wouldn't latch at all because it was too grease covered and frozen.

Bad hooks happen, that's why you check the jaws with a flashlight. And not the flashlight on your phone, those things have such a wide beam you don't see anything. If you see this:
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Pull out, pour some diesel over the jaws and try again.
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What am I not seeing here? That's what mine always looks like.
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Grant3787 said: ↑

Oh man I feel like I'm missing something. What's wrong with that picture? The locking Jaw is clearly over the king pin from top to bottom. What am I missing?
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See the shiny part on the latch? Not all the way in.

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gentleroger said: ↑

If you don't damage anything, it's one thing. Bend the release arm, hit the back of the cab, or in one spectacular case knock the king pin half off - then it's something else.

High hooking isn't a guaranteed firing, but as drivers talk, they don't always differentiate between high hooking and "unplanned disconnects". Any driver who drops as trailer will get fired. Schneider will have the 5th wheel inspected to make sure it wasn't a mechanical fault (it happens), but the shop almost always finds one of two things:

The 5th wheel latches just fine

The 5th wheel wouldn't latch at all because it was too grease covered and frozen.

Bad hooks happen, that's why you check the jaws with a flashlight. And not the flashlight on your phone, those things have such a wide beam you don't see anything. If you see this:
View attachment 406313

Pull out, pour some diesel over the jaws and try again.
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whats wrong with that picture the shinny metal on the right side…?

I have the fifth wheel with the bolt out the front…. Schneider hates those. But you can look at the bolt and washer and make sure they are pulled up right to the fifth wheel housing…..
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Grant3787 said: ↑

Oh man I feel like I'm missing something. What's wrong with that picture? The locking Jaw is clearly over the king pin from top to bottom. What am I missing?
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Actually i see it. Too Ru

gentleroger said: ↑

If you don't damage anything, it's one thing. Bend the release arm, hit the back of the cab, or in one spectacular case knock the king pin half off - then it's something else.

High hooking isn't a guaranteed firing, but as drivers talk, they don't always differentiate between high hooking and "unplanned disconnects". Any driver who drops as trailer will get fired. Schneider will have the 5th wheel inspected to make sure it wasn't a mechanical fault (it happens), but the shop almost always finds one of two things:

The 5th wheel latches just fine

The 5th wheel wouldn't latch at all because it was too grease covered and frozen.

Bad hooks happen, that's why you check the jaws with a flashlight. And not the flashlight on your phone, those things have such a wide beam you don't see anything. If you see this:
View attachment 406313

Pull out, pour some diesel over the jaws and try again.
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Actually I see it now. Too rusty
TankerYanker36, Mar 31, 2022

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Cat sdp said: ↑

whats wrong with that picture the shinny metal on the right side…?

I have the fifth wheel with the bolt out the front…. Schneider hates those. But you can look at the bolt and washer and make sure they are pulled up right to the fifth wheel housing…..
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Oh wow. That's something I would have missed for sure. Thanks man.

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