Fld120 fan not kicking on automatically

Discussion in 'Heavy Duty Diesel Truck Mechanics Forum' started by BronsonA2150, Jan 6, 2019.

  1. BronsonA2150

    BronsonA2150 Bobtail Member

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    I have a 93 fld120 with 3406c/b and the fan is not kicking on with coolant temp. It was kicking on with a/c when it was working. Where do I begin troubleshooting? I see there is a sensor on the top coolant reservoir without a wire plugged into it. Would that be where it senses to kick fan on?
     
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  3. Working2party

    Working2party Medium Load Member

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    I’m not 100% on your year/model. But other FLD’s of that era usually had a high pressure switch in your A/C system that activated the fan and a switch in the thermostate housing. It sounds like your A/C switch is working. The coolant temp switch on the thermostat housing is probably your issue. There should be another sensor right beside it that operates your gauge in the dash.
    The switch you mentioned in your surge tank is for coolant level.

    So here’s where I get unsure. I don’t know at what temp your switch should activate. It could be 200 up to 230 deg. And I’m not sure if puts power to the fan control solenoid or if it takes it away to activate the clutch. It was right around that time that they started changing those things around.

    Hope this helps, I’m sure others here will fill in the blanks soon, but this might get you started.
     
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  4. Rideandrepair

    Rideandrepair Road Train Member

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    You mentioned a/c switch was working the fan. I’m guessing you mean it’s no longer working the fan, as the fans not working. ?? What Im getting at is what about the selinoid itself! What about over ride switch? Does fan still work at all?If not it can be locked up meanwhile by nstalling a bolt or by removing air line and crimping it off. Depending on which style you have. I had a92 WS w/ 425c that had a bulliton on it that required moving the selinoid closer ( or maybe further away can’t remember) to the engine for it to work properly
     
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  5. BronsonA2150

    BronsonA2150 Bobtail Member

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    Sorry I should have clarified. The fan works just have to run it manually. It was kicking on and off when the a/c was working but compressor went bad and we unhooked it. But yes the fan does work it just doesn’t kick on automatically when coolant gets hot.
     
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    Working2party is right first thing to check. The temp sensor on thermostat housing. Not that it matters but is it a peec or mechanical? Peec has other non related sensors in fuel pump ecm that cause other ( non related) problems.Hopefully its a manual. I had a cmodel 425 w/ peec.Unique problems. Either way great engines
     
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  7. BronsonA2150

    BronsonA2150 Bobtail Member

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    It’s a peec but has had a b model pump put on it.
     
  8. BronsonA2150

    BronsonA2150 Bobtail Member

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    I’m not super familiar with car engines so bare with me! I’m assuming the thermostat housing is on the top right front of engine that top hose goes into from radiator. There’s a switch with 2 wires behind housing and when we short it, it pegs the gauge but doesn’t kick fan on. There’s another switch on the right side that when shorted kicks the buzzer on but again nothing with fan. Is there another switch somewhere? I’m not seeing another on the thermostat housing
     
  9. Working2party

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    Not that I’m aware of, I’m not 100% on cats, but I assumed all FLD’s of those years would require the same switches. I was adapting from and 89 w/ Cummins. If the sensors/switch that operated the buzzer has more than 2 terminals, it could be operating your fan also. If that’s the case it could be a broken wire between there and your fan solenoid. You would have to run around it with a test light to figure it out, but I’m familiar enough to tell your right we’re to test.
     
  10. BronsonA2150

    BronsonA2150 Bobtail Member

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    I don't know if this will bump this post, but I never did figure this issue out. Here's some other thoughts I had. To refresh, my fan does work if ran manually, it just does not kick on when the coolant gets hot (maybe 210-220 degrees or so) but the buzzer and light does kick on when it gets up to that temp. But I got to thinking, somewhere within the system, something is telling the buzzer to engage when it gets that hot, so surely that would be correlated to the auto fan switch. Would it be tied into the gauge itself maybe? I feel like maybe I need to find a manual or wiring diagram for this on this truck. After running the serial number for a few other things, I'm beginning to find that certain things on it were added aftermarket. Not to mention it is originally a C model that has had a B model pump installed.
     
  11. RocketScott

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    I have a different truck and engine so this might not apply

    My engine has three temp sensors. One for the temp light/buzzer, one for the temp gauge, and another for the fan. The fan temp switch has two wires going to it, the other two just have one wire.

    If the AC was kicking the fan on and you can also turn it on manually I would suspect the fan temp switch or the wires going to it
     
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