For Those Who Went From Paper Logs to Electronic

the ONLY reason the industry will be "forced" to use elogs is because so many drivers are rolling over, if drivers told these companies to stick these things where the sun dont shine, NO ONE WOULD USE THEM

so every driver that submits to it, it putting a nail in the coffin for the rest of us

and many of us need to thank OOIDA for putting up a good fight, they aint perfect, but they're best in town

 

Exactly my point, the HOS regs are the problem; not logs whether paper of electronic.

 

don't tell the elog lovers that. they think there's less roll overs now then 10 years ago.

 

MNdriver, are you saying forcing time management onto the driver and dispatcher isn't related to the issues related to detention at shippers/receivers? I'm just a bit confused.

I think I agree with "It does nothing to address the issue . . ." but not sure what you mean. That part I quoted means, to me, that the decision made to go to elogs didn't account for these issues of sitting for five hours and not being able to finish out a 10 break if you need one because your elogs won't let you leave the area within a certain range/mileage, and therefore have to restart your clock.
I want to know if anyone is pursuing to fight back against these problems, or if they feel it is a lost cause? Companies want their loads delivered in a timely manner and they want their drivers available when they need them. If every driver is laid up, having to take 15 hour breaks even only once a week because of this, wouldn't the time lost eventually affect the company too? 30 drivers, 5 hours a week = 150 hours lost that could have been approximately 36,000 miles a month.

Sounds easy, right there! BUT, Not every driver can do this. Like I mentioned above about having to move to finish a break.

k7tkr, I sure hope there is a REALLY BIG GROUP out there to address these issues and help make changes! and I I want to know if anyone is pursuing to fight back against these problems. Go ahead, use elogs! BUT MAKE SOME CHANGES!

 

A carrier is required to work with the drive and manage that resource.

No matter how much they work together, a shipper or receiver can destroy those plans. With no recourse.

So what you are saying there is in line with the issues I am calling out too. You put it nicely by the way.

On my phone now, so answers may seen short

 

So you want to put it all on the customers..... is that what you are saying? Remember, we work for them. I can think of many reasons- legitimate reasons why loads arn't ready. Not every shipper or receiver is a monolithic warehouse. What's the small guy with one dock and just a few employees supposed to do when a string of trucks show up or the guy on the corner with no dock and has to load or unload out in the street. And if you'rd late- even for legitimate reasons they are to do what- bend over backwards for you?

Not workable. Even without fact that you risk losing business- the very business you bought a truck to do. Or that your outfit did. We exist for them, not them for us. No. The answer is better HOS that are based on the reality of the industry, not some intellectually skewed perception by people not even remotely connected with it. The customers did not cause this problem, the government did so the government needs to fix it. The government is so focused "safety" right now and the need to look like they are doing something positive that they aren't even aware a problem exists. Or more likely, they are so beholden to the deep pockets of these "safety advocates" that they are turning a blind eye to the mess they created. And now we all suffer- the people who create the freight, those of us that pull it, and those that consume it.

Focus on the problem. Bad regulations.

Mark

 

You are right on! However some shippers/receivers just don't care, and the carriers won't say anything because they are afraid of loosing the shippers business. Mandatory detention pay would fix a lot of that.

Yes - "focus on the problem" is the solution. However it's been a problem for many years so I certainly wouldn't hold out much hope for a meaningful solution in the near future.

 

Some companies already have detention pay. The one I am leased to does after 2 hours you are paid 35.00 per hour you wait. If you are waiting on being dispatched for a load you get 175.00 per day. When you have the experience and the clean driving record you can pick and choose what company you will pull for. People with less experience and less than perfect driving records have a bit harder time of it. Where everything fits in is that the driver has the responsibility for doing things right. The companies that have the good pay packages do not want people with multiple weight infractions, or driving violations, accidents on their records, and most of all no log book violations. Protect your licence and your record and you can pick the companies with the best pay.

 

One question. Any driver and or company that is running E-logs and EOBRS that are involved in an accident that is proven they are at fault whether an accident or not should lose there license and or be thrown into prison. My question is even though it was proven to be just an accident the fact they are running E-logs and EOBRS and are supposed to be safer since they were still at fault they should do the time? My point is accidents happen you move on and learn from your mistakes. E-logs and EOBRs will do nothing good for the world. Any driver involved in an at fault accident while running E-logs and EOBR should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and lose their CDL for life? If you can not perform your job safely then you have no business being on the rode. You can not prevent accidents no matter what crap you force upon a driver. Just admit that the fact is they are not for safety but for control. You have to be in control.

 

The elogs does make sure a lot of truckers stay in line with their hours. I think the reason some of these rules were brought on was because of the problems with people who liked to run on the ragged edge driving too many hours trying to do the miles. This may not be the case for everyone, just the ones who may have been involved in wrecks that got caught. It also keeps companies more in line where they cannot run you like a chicken with your head cut off trying to fulfill their p/u - delivery delusions, you all know how that goes somedays. So for now elogs is not mandatory for everyone, but I bet in a few years it will be.