An in depth look at the various lease programs

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by The Challenger, Jun 13, 2009.

  1. The Challenger

    The Challenger Kinghunter

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    Good evening,

    I have decided to look at the various lease options for potential drivers that want to make the step to becoming an owner operator. In addition, they are there to make money off you and the truck. Most companies want you to have one year experience and have a good credit rating. Also, only a few of the these companies offer a walk away lease meaning you owe nothing should you terminate the lease early.

    I will go over the basics for the lease. That includes pay per mile, cost of truck per week, type of truck you lease, what they haul (reefer or dry), governed speed, and requirements. Also, on some compainies, I will

    I will start off with CR England

    CR England


    Requirements:
    CR England has no requirements at all.
    Type of lease: Demo lease of six months, used truck lease, and new truck lease. All leases are 36month except the demo.
    Governed Speed: 62 mph
    Reefer fuel: paid by CR England
    Fuel programs: You pay for your fuel with a CR England fuel card providing you maintain 5mpg for 75% of the time. CR England advertises you pay $1.25 should meet that Criteria
    Equipment: Freightliner Cascadias, Centuries, and Internationals
    Pay: .90 cents empty and deadhead- $1.53 loaded (less than 100 miles)
    My opinion: Based on so many failures at CR England, I have no choice but to NOT recommenced the company for future o/o's. I do not want to see any more failures at CR England because a company only wants too make money off them and does not have feeling for a driver. Finally, CR England pushes new drivers and seasoned vets to do their lease. Trainers are often training two trainees at the same time.

    John Christner Trucking aka JCT

    Requirements:
    at least one year, no more than two jobs in that year, must be 23, no felony convictions in past 7 years,
    No more than three (3) moving violations in the past three (3) years. No more than three (3) preventable accidents/incidents in the past three (3) years. No major moving violations (15mph over, reckless driving, etc.). No DUI/DWI in the past five (5) years.

    Type of lease: Walk away lease with $1 buyout at the end
    Governed Speed: 72mph
    Reefer fuel: JCT paysfor reefer fuel
    Fuel programs:
    FSC
    Mileage: 3500+ for solos and 5000+ plus for teams
    Equipment: Pete 386, 387, Freightliner Cascadia, Freightliner Classic XL, International 9900IX, Prostar
    Pay: 90 cents on all dispatched miles: two cent per mile safety bonus paid quarterly
    My Recommendations: I would not hesitate to recommend JCT to anyone should they meet the requirements. I have heard more success stories at JCT than anywhere else.

    I will do Central Refrigerated and Roehl tomorrow. Till then enjoy this thread and please do not bring any negativity into this thread. It to inform drivers, not bash people.
     
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  3. JR OTR

    JR OTR Light Load Member

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    Great idea Kinghunter! I made up a chart with information just like this several years ago when I was going over lease-purchase deals in the industry... wish I had saved it.

    Jim

    P.S. Here is what I have for the company I'm leased on to, Hill Bros:

    Hill Bros (Omaha, Nebraska)

    Requirements: Must have two year's recent OTR experience, clean MVR, clean DAC, clean criminal history. Must pass workwell physical assessment test. Must spend at least three months as a company driver before being eligible to lease a truck.
    Type of lease: 4-year lease on new trucks; used trucks also 4 years but with lower payments.
    Governed Speed: Not governed. (Truck may be governed on delivery but you can have the computer reflashed)
    Reefer fuel: Company paid.
    Fuel programs: Comdata cards supplied for Pilots, TCH for Flying J. Hill Bros pays the DoE-listed fuel surcharge (FSC) for all dispatched miles, loaded or empty.
    Equipment: Volvo 780s and some International ProStars, though only the Volvos are for lease I believe.
    Cost of Lease: My 2007 Volvo is $474 a week to lease. Insurance, HUT and other deductions total approximately $325 a week, for a total of right at $800 averaged over a year. Note that some of the escrows like HUT have odd schedules so during a year it will be more or less each week. There are no mileage penalties or CPM you owe to run miles. There is a 5 CPM maint escrow deduction until that account reaches $5,000 at which time that is suspended.
    Pay: Fuel surcharge (FSC) on all dispatched miles, loaded or empty, plus 90 cents per mile for loads of 350 or more miles. 93 CPM for loads between 150 and 349. 110 CPM for shorter loads. 1 CPM yearly longevity pay. 2 CPM quarterly safety/compliance pay. 1 CPM quarterly productivity pay (driving more than a certain number of miles in a quarter). Plus occasional extra drop/pickup pay ($30), detention, etc. Company pays for lumpers and tolls, and supplies i-Pass, PrePass/ezPass, PikePass and k-tag transponders, though sometimes they don't have enough for all the trucks so you might have to wait for a bit to get some of them.
    My opinion: I drive for them. It was the best plan I could find that suited me of all the companies I reviewed, and I looked at every L-P deal in those trucker mags you get at truck stops. It isn't a "fog the mirror" type lease program -- you have to qualify. Loads are about 60-70% reefer, the rest van.
     
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  4. VULCAN1999

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    Prime (aka New Prime,Inc.)

    Requirements: Prime has no requirements at all.
    Type of lease: 3 years or used at remaining of lease, basically what ever truck is available at the time.
    Governed Speed: 64 mph
    Reefer fuel: Your responsiblity
    Fuel programs: You pay for your fuel with a Prime (Comdata) fuel card providing you maintain 6.5-7 mpg all of the time. Prime discount varies 6 cents to 25 cents per gallon within their network.
    Equipment: Freightliner Cascadias, Centuries, and Pete 387's
    Cost of Lease: $900 to $934 a week with about $200 in variables a week with another $100-200 fixed added on weekly. About $1,334.00 a week to lease a truck.
    Pay: 72% of the line haul range from 35 cents to $2.00 a mile avg line haul around 75 to 90 cents per mile. they have their own forumla for Fuel Surcharge right now 18 cents per mile, 2 cents under DOE Fuel Surcharge.
    My opinion: Based on so many failures at Prime, I have no choice but to NOT recommenced the company for future L/o's. I do not want to see any more failures at Prime because a company only wants too make money off them and does not have feeling for a driver. Finally, Prime pushes new drivers and seasoned vets to do their lease.


    Wow sounds a lot like Cr England doesn't it.
     
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  5. The Challenger

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    Well I need something productive to do and analyzing stuff is something I am good at. Feel free to add or update the information as new information comes in.

    KH
     
  6. The Challenger

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    Central Refrigerated

    Requirements: 3 months with the company
    Type of lease: 20-30 month lease
    Governed speed: 65
    Reefer Fuel: Central pays
    Equipment: International Prostar, Peterbilt 387, Kenworth W900, Kenworth T2000
    Truck payment/ expense: courtsey of JJranch $649 and $907 w/ rebuilt Tripack apu
    Pay: 86cpm for right now
    My opinion: Like any other company Central has good and bad. Unfortunately, Central does not offer a walk away lease which is kinda sad; however Central does equip its lease division with top notch equipment and the miles are there if get a good DM/FM or on dedicated account. I would look long and hard as the pay is below .90 a mile and you need at least to be a trainer or get 3500 miles solo in order to make good money.
     
  7. BCTINC

    BCTINC Bobtail Member

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    Maybe you should first, actually obtain a CDL-A and gain a tad bit of experience before you "analyze, compare and advise " on lease programs..... Just an idea......
     
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  8. Baack

    Baack Road Train Member

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    Leave the guy alone
    Its great he puts the effort into compiling lease info
    Your negativity does not benefit our board
    If you cant keep your post's positive please don't post!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  9. BCTINC

    BCTINC Bobtail Member

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    I just point out what it is like in the real world of trucking...... It is not all pretty sunsets and sunrises....

    But if you wish to have someone whose only experience in this industry is what they have read on the internet...... How does that benefit the forum ???
     
  10. Crotts Trucking

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    To analyze every company, it would take years. This is just a compilation of searching companies websites. Kinda cool Idea. Good job KH
     
  11. Crotts Trucking

    Crotts Trucking Medium Load Member

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    I see that he has been on KH's butt since his first post. And every post there after. I guess I'll add my first ignore. LOL
    Keep up the good work KH!!
     
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