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lildaddy this is just an observation but you state you drive sometimes 12-14 hours non-stop, I find this interesting as you post so much exercise/diet advice in the health forum, I thought you of all people would KNOW better.

Most people realize that sitting/standing/laying in one position for a long time can lead to DVT for starters (and possibly enders if your not careful) I am amazed that someone such as yourself who chimes about health and fitness would do such a silly thing, guess you are not any better/smarter than those who eat a cheeseburger everyday, and only drive 10 or 11 hours, at least they are NOT breaking the law.
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OUCH. Luv, I'm not perfect, I've never seen anyone who was. I do have a business to run and from time to time I do have to "git er done", if that makes me a outlaw then so be it, been called a lot worst and because I speak on the benifits of living a healthy life and share my knowlege on fitness, diet and nutrition with other truckers in the drivers health corner, that does'nt make me any better or worst than the next man.

Luv, if I've said something or did anything to offend you, I apologize as thats not my intent, but right now I am feeling a little heat coming from your side of the room. I am peace loving man and I'm into making love not war so please except my apologies and lets move on.
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When I first began driving big trucks 15yrs ago, a old timer told me one day that "son no matter what you do out here on the road that one day the DOT is going to pull you over and the best thing you can do is to be nice and polite to him and maybe he'll just take a little bit of your money, if you're nasty and aggressive he'll take alot". What the old timer told me was true. The DOT has so much authority over commercial drivers and there vehicles that they can basicly write you numerous citations at anytime for a multitude of reasons. Thats just the way that the law is set up. You can buy a brand new rig, drive it off the lot and any DOT officer worth his badge can find numerous things wrong on that rig to write you up on if he or she wants too. When I tell the newbies this most don't beleive me, ask any DOT officer and he will tell you the same. Is there really any such thing as running completely legal? 15yrs ago this industry was much different from what we have out here today. Drivers stuck together more and the level of hate and discontent was far less than what it is today. Back then I think that we as drivers approached our jobs with a totaly different mindset, it was about doing your job, taking pride in your ride and having fun on your run. Most of us really enjoyed the freedom and the lifestyle that trucking was all about. Convoys were big back then, 10 to 20(sometimes much larger) big trucks all running together. We would carry on on the CB radio for miles joking,talking and exchanging info about road conditions,traffic, bears and scale houses and whatever. It was great, you could just ride and have a good time while making new freinds and moving freight across the country. Sometimes you would be having so much fun and enjoying the comradery of the people that you were running with, that you hated to leave them to go deliver your load.It was agreat time to be a truckdriver. Now a days drivers isolate themselves in their trucks only communicating with other drivers to find out why traffic has stopped. Most of the drivers that I see out on the road these days are unhappy, in poor health and lack good hygiene. Somewhere along the way, it seems as though all of the fun was taken out of it. I'm still trucking and I still enjoy it, but it makes me sad to see were trucking is going. Most companys out here now just use and abuse drivers for as long as they can stand it and then move on to the next one. You have drivers out here that don't know what they are doing training other drivers and instead of drivers becoming better, they're getting worst. It seems to me that the industry as a whole is trying to take the driver out of the decision making process all together, but when the ---- hits the fan its all the drivers fault. And logs and new hours of service, what a joke. We've got some pot belly politician in washington(who has never even been inside of a big truck telling us the best way to do our jobs, what a joke. I log what I have to to show the DOT what they want to see, and I do what I have to do to get the job done. Log books are about revenue not safety. If they were you would be able to log your driving exactly as is without the threat of violation. Somedays I only drive 3 or 4hrs and I'm so tired that I can hardly keep my eyes open, other days I drive 12 to 14hrs non stop and feel great. A log book or HOS rules don't determine how you feel. You as being a professional truckdriver have to determine how you feel and when you are okay to drive. If I had to drive for one of these companys that I see crowding the highways today I would'nt be driving OTR. They expect drivers to take it with a smile and never question anything, just do as you are told. Thats not trucking, thats slavery. If you question then you will be labeled a problem driver. When a driver leaves a company, 1 of 2 things happen. Either they get you or you get them, and when you get them, you know what happens to your DAC(which is also a joke). I own my own truck and trailer and I run under my own authority. I only run with 3 brokers and they know me and they know where I like to run. I fax them a BOL and they cut me a check(no waiting). Owning a trucking business is'nt all fun and games, you must have a good accountant and attorney and your paperwork must be meticoulous at all times. Some weeks are better than others and nothings promised. For me its the only way to fly, I control my loads, when and where I run and my money. For me thats priceless. This industry is forever changing and we as drivers must cotinue with it, but one thing holds true" common sense will take you along way in this business", .
AS I agree with some of what you say, the part about logs is nothing but revenue and you will drive 12 or 14 hours without stopping has gotten to me. Why? Well I am in the log department remind you: biggrin100 (27):
Listen if you want: I know you may not agree with the regulations and that is fine. You have your own opinion as I have my own. I don't always agree with the regulations but, if you don't follow they and you are in an accident unfortunately you could be held accountable for that accident if you are found falsifying your logs (which proves you are over your HOS). I don't know your personal life and I am not asking for your personal life, but I will assume you have family that cares about you. If so is that extra chance worth visiting your family behind bars with big bubba? Truck drivers are prime candidates for these criminal 4 wheelers trying to cause accidents so if they get you to hit them and you are over your HOS they win! It doesn't matter; they go back 30 days up to the minute of the accident.
I really try to let drivers know what their consequences are if they run/log illegal, but many seem to continue to run illegal. I can't help but shake my head at them like ok, that is your choice and I will go on with my life. I like to drink but I do it at home because I am scared someone else or myself might mess up and we have an accident and I go to jail and my kids are left mommy less! Family would rather have a steady income and a husband or wife at home, than we would like to visit you in prison because someone got killed. Especially if that someone tried to kill their selves and you was the innocent bystander. Please keep this in mind as you don't wake up and say you are going to be in an accident, accidents happen without planning them.
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OUCH. Luv, I'm not perfect, I've never seen anyone who was. I do have a business to run and from time to time I do have to "git er done", if that makes me a outlaw then so be it, been called a lot worst and because I speak on the benifits of living a healthy life and share my knowlege on fitness, diet and nutrition with other truckers in the drivers health corner, that does'nt make me any better or worst than the next man.

Luv, if I've said something or did anything to offend you, I apologize as thats not my intent, but right now I am feeling a little heat coming from your side of the room. I am peace loving man and I'm into making love not war so please except my apologies and lets move on.
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I see I am not the only one who thinks you need to follow the HOS and not drive illegal so now there is heat from 2 corners of the room so to speak. I have nothing against you, I only take issue with your breaking the HOS....plain and simple. It is drivers like you who put others at risk on the road and who will eventually get caught. I just hope it is before you hurt or kill someone that is totaly innocent. You might as well as made the statement "I drink and drive" cuz it wouldnt have angered me any more. The HOS are there for a reason and drivers that choose to ignore them cause the "powers that be" to keep trying to regulate drivers even more! My husband shares the road everyday with you "supertruckerwannabes" and so does my family, so yes it makes me angry when you drive illegaly.
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I plan on driving 3-5 years before entertaining the idea of o/o. That may be along time to be a slave,
Do you think that being an O/O makes you less a slave - I think most so called O/Os are more a slave! As a company driver you can move to a new company or take time off for a family emergency. Try that when you are leasing-to-own a truck from a company or you are upside down on the truck and the payments are $3k a month wheither you roll the wheels or not! As to the part about "no forced dispatch for O/Os" try turning a bunch of dispatches down and get yourself starved out - the other side of that is that the company you're leased to is under no obligation to give you runs so you better toe the line and be a good little employee - oh sorry, "contractor" (yah right).
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This just keeps getting better, now I'm being called a supertrucker along with wannabe and outlaw. Whats next? Just because we have different opinions on logs and HOS, must we resort to name calling Luv? I don't agree with your veiws on this topic, but I do respect your right to express your veiws and opinions, and I know you do not agree with mine. Thats fine, just give me the same respect that I give you. Right or wrong, good or bad, we all have our own veiws and opinions on topics that affect this industry and thats the true beauty of this forum, "being able to express veiws and opinions without the threat of verbal attacks".

Common sense over rules the law when It comes to someone else telling me how to drive or how to run my business. Safety is 1st and foremost in my business. If I don't feel that it's safe me to drive for whatever reason or that road conditions or traffic are such that I need to stop, than I stop. I don't keep driving because my log book says that I can still drive for another 4hrs, or because new HOS rules say that if I stop than I have to stop for 10hrs, to me thats not smart trucking. On the flip side of that, If I've been driving for 12hrs and I feel alert and energetic, I'm not going to stop because a book says that I'm out of hours. I never push myself to the point of total exaustion while driving. If I feel tired or drowsy, then I stop, I don't care what a log book says. There are numerous factors that determine how long I drive on a daily basis that override HOS or a log book.

Just because the speed limit on a given stretch of highway is 65mph does'nt mean that I drive 65mph. Road conditions, traffic and other factors dictate what it's safe for me to do, even though legally I can drive 65mph, that does'nt make it right. With me the same goes with logs and HOS. Just because it's legal does'nt make it right or the smartest thing to do.

That being said," I in am not telling/suggesting/encouraging anyone to drive illegal". I was only stating what I do and I am a man who accepts full responsibility for my actions. As a truckdriver be smart and use common sense, it'll take you along way in this business.
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This just keeps getting better, now I'm being called a supertrucker along with wannabe and outlaw. Whats next? Just because we have different opinions on logs and HOS, must we resort to name calling Luv? I don't agree with your veiws on this topic, but I do respect your right to express your veiws and opinions, and I know you do not agree with mine. Thats fine, just give me the same respect that I give you. Right or wrong, good or bad, we all have our own veiws and opinions on topics that affect this industry and thats the true beauty of this forum, "being able to express veiws and opinions without the threat of verbal attacks".

Common sense over rules the law when It comes to someone else telling me how to drive or how to run my business. Safety is 1st and foremost in my business. If I don't feel that it's safe me to drive for whatever reason or that road conditions or traffic are such that I need to stop, than I stop. I don't keep driving because my log book says that I can still drive for another 4hrs, or because new HOS rules say that if I stop than I have to stop for 10hrs, to me thats not smart trucking. On the flip side of that, If I've been driving for 12hrs and I feel alert and energetic, I'm not going to stop because a book says that I'm out of hours. I never push myself to the point of total exaustion while driving. If I feel tired or drowsy, then I stop, I don't care what a log book says. There are numerous factors that determine how long I drive on a daily basis that override HOS or a log book.

Just because the speed limit on a given stretch of highway is 65mph does'nt mean that I drive 65mph. Road conditions, traffic and other factors dictate what it's safe for me to do, even though legally I can drive 65mph, that does'nt make it right. With me the same goes with logs and HOS. Just because it's legal does'nt make it right or the smartest thing to do.

That being said," I in am not telling/suggesting/encouraging anyone to drive illegal". I was only stating what I do and I am a man who accepts full responsibility for my actions. As a truckdriver be smart and use common sense, it'll take you along way in this business.
Yeap it is your choice to run illegal and you know what the outcome might be. I hope you do make it out alive and I hope no one else gets hurt. Remember sometimes our bodies don't realize we are as tired as we really are.

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I understand what Lil Daddy is getting at here, also understand the other points of view. Calling him a "supertruckerwannabe" is a little harsh though, in my opinion.

I have been off the road for 3 years now, but when I drove, I drove just like this. for the most part, I had basically the same route every week, and during a couple days of that route, I put in a large amount of driving hours. I was illegal, but I was in no way risking the lives of anyone. I was simply well rested. Believe it or not, there are people that have enough common sense out there to know and follow their own limits. That doesn't mean they need to be called names on message boards for being honest about what they do.

On the other side, these hours of service rules are there, not to generate revenue, but to keep the roads safe because there are plenty of drivers out there that won't or can't use common sense and be aware of their own limitations. Thanks to those people, we have to have these laws.

If I were to go back out on the road now, I would drive legally. Not because I agree with the rules, but because I don't want to take the chance of getting caught. The consequences are simply too high now.
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I guess I don't know why the issue of running illegal.

Where I work...our trucks are governed at 68mph and our driver's drive 11 hours legally and get to their destinations with no problems!
And would like to state this is a very large LTL carrier.
Actually.....most arrive before the time designated by the manifest.

So in my opinion...I don't see how running illegal does any good.
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If my use of the common term for a trucker that runs illegal or has disreguard for others (supertruckerwannabe) offened anyone maybe I should have used a different term, I will appologize for that word but I will not now nor ever appologize for my stance on truckers who run illegal nor the dangers they pose to those who share the road with them.
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