14 hour rule has me scratching my head

yes, we have to follow hours of service rules. we are considered an interstate commerce company. we are roughly 9 tons weight.

Thank you everyone for the replies. and correct we do not have a sleeper and always stay in hotels. So my original question is still unanswered.....

If i start my day at 8am. log various on duty, off duty, and on duty driving, no matter how many hours i have been actually working on the ON DUTY status I still cannot drive past the 14 hour mark from when i first started my day? and where can i find this exact answer?

 

49 CFR Part 395...look at 395.3 (a)(2) Maximum driving tome for Property-carrying vehicles.

cannot drive....... "(2) for any period after the end of the 14th hour after coming on duty following 10 consecutive hours off duty..."

 

Ok thank you. there was a misconception that having off duty hours in the middle of the day would extend that 14 hour period period that they could work as long as their running tally of hours did not extend past a running total of 14 hours on duty and 11 hours driving for both drivers to max out the driving the whole 14 hours.

 

Yes and no. The correct answer is you cannot drive past the 11th hour in a 14 hour window. Once you start your day you have 14 hours to drive 11. You can be on duty not driving as long as you want. You won't be able to drive again until you take 10 hours off duty or sleeper berth.

 

Thanks HOTH20, but we have two drivers always in the box truck. so one could drive 11 and the other driver could drive the remaining 3 hours correct?

 

You each have a 11/14 hour day. If you drive 11 hours and have to take your 10 hour break the other driver has their 11 hours to drive.

 

I thought that when you drive with a team like that you, due to you both starting at the same time that you have that same 14 hour window to work in. you reply makes it seem like you are saying that a team on the road can drive 22 hours in one day?
we are always together, starting at the same time, while one is driving the other driver is ON DUTY NOT DRIVING and vice versa. then we end up going off duty at the same time. there is no sleeper and this is a box truck

 

Underover, since it is a box truck with NO sleeper, and both people start at 8am then they are both done at 10 pm, regardless of the days activities. In your operation, there is no legal way to go beyond the 14 hour limit. The required 30 minute break after 8 years also will stop the drivers from being able to keep the truck moving the entire 14 hours. The 30 minute break can not be taken in the jump seat.

But yes when one driver runs out of driving hours for the day, the other can drive what is left of the 14.

 

You each run your own log book. Why does the person not driving is running On Duty? Waste of hours. The one not driving can be off duty. They are allowed two hours in the right seat in an off duty status, after that they have to be On Duty if sitting in the right seat.

Since no sleeper you will have to look at the Rules for trucks with no sleeper.

https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/sites/fmcsa.dot.gov/files/docs/Drivers Guide to HOS 2015_508.pdf

You may have to forward your questions to the FMCSA, be sure to tell them all the details like gross weight, team driving, no sleeper, when/how each person logs, etc

https://ask.fmcsa.dot.gov/app/ask

 

The two hours in the jump seat only applies to trucks with Sleepers.