A CDL is not a passport to a job.

I agree. And I am willing to learn.

 

Doesn't hurt to back up his claim to "having experience." When he is trying to tell those of us that are newer to the game that even after all that, he can never stop learning. I respect 25 years of experience all over the place like that. More experience than I will have after 25 years if I am still drivin' this dirt hauler

 

I crashed my plane, walstib. The wording of the pilot's license is interesting, though. A ppl confers "privileges" on the holder, rather than rights. It's a distinction that the DMV might find worth looking into.

 

I almost did, had to make a gear up landing once but managed to keep it from cartwheeling...Pics here:

http://www.adjustableratemarketing.com/flying/gearup.html

 

If one ever stops learning about whatever trade their in then it is time to quit. But his comments about newbs "what do we have to offer" kind of offends me. I have a lot to offer. And I expect to be paid halfway decent for it even if I am a newb. There is a lot to learn about this business but it is not rocket science either.

 

i agree almost whole heartedly. my only disagreement is the comment that new drivers must conform to the old ways. sorry but as the world changes, the new regs get tighter, etc, etc, we all have to conform to new ways. and considering the rest of the post, i know this is out of context from what the OP was trying to get across, but i just want to mention one thing to all the old schoolers out there. as new drivers, we have alot more to learn right out of the gate than ya'll did 10 - 20 years ago. with hos, csa2010, laws changing on what seems to be a daily basis, different laws in different states, etc, we have to know all kinds of stuff right out of the gate. so just because a few of us are "supertruckers" straight out of school, most of us have worked VERY hard to get to the place we are at now. So i think we have earned a little respect for ourselves. And one more thing to add before i get flamed, and this is to a lot of the new drivers out there, guys on here like Rollover, REDD, southernpride, Gashauler, blackw900, rerun, really anyone who has the experience to back up what they say, these folks can teach you alot. they have seen thousands of new drivers come and go from this industry. please shut up and listen (so to speak) to the things these drivers are trying to teach us. and try to accomodate the old folks when they get crotchety. they may not have had their prune juice this morning!

 

Thanks for the comments, Kenny. To clear something up for you, and clarify it a bit for others, I didn't visualize a static industry when I wrote about conforming to what had gone before. Older drivers also have to re-invent themselves on an almost daily basis in order to keep up with a dynamic industry. It's part of the continuous learning process. Once you decide that a certain standpoint is going to be set in stone, then you join the dinosaurs.

 

Not being rude and not to burst your bubble~You have one thing to offer~ Your just new meat in the seat.

 

It is amazing how even the most respectful threads can degenerate into whining and name calling. Dionysus has made a point of the fact that even though he has a lot of experience in many different areas, he is still learning... and the fact that the younger folks coming into the industry often think of the older and more experienced ones are old fogies not worth listening to, because the 20-something know everything in their own minds. All Dionysus has been saying is there is a place for listening to the elders, so to speak. I ran into a "Dionysus" the other day at a truck stop. I was having some problems with brakes hanging up in the ice, and he took time from his busy day to help me out. I am not a "newbie" anymore, but I still have a lot to learn... and so does Dionysus, as he has mentioned. I have a great deal of respect for those who have gone before and paved the way for where we are now - in trucking and in life in general. What some call "arrogance" I see as humility tempered with self-worth, knowing he has the RIGHT to speak to the younger generation. In our day and age, name calling is how people dismiss those who MIGHT just know a little more than they do. By denigrating them with a name or accusation, they can let themselves off the hook of accountability, in their own minds. We see it in politics and in all areas of life. Now we are even seeing it here, in one of the heretofore most respectful threads I have seen on this forum in a long time.

 

Thanks for that, Kingsson. Now for the good news. I have made a friend on this forum who has done for years what I have only dreamed of. Now I have someone I can call upon for help on an area where I'm completely green. My attitude likely helped, since I didn't come across to him as arrogant.

The only thing we can do to keep threads on topic is to take standard Internet advice and don't feed the trolls. That's why there is an option to ignore,which I did in this case right away rather that taking the bait and helping to wreck the thread.