Confused again about rear end ratio

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by jeffman164, Feb 3, 2013.

  1. Semi Crazy

    Semi Crazy Road Train Member

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    No no! Your IFTA is based on gallons consumed. Your miles in each state ÷ your overall MPG for the quarter = per gallon rate of IFTA owed (minus what was paid at the pump).
    Now your overall MPG for the quarter will be higher if your odometer shows more than actual miles traveled and vice versa but the gallons used figures out to the same number.

    Example:

    State A you ran 1000 actual miles.

    In actuality your real MPG was 5 because you burned 200 gallons.

    If your odometer was rolling on 20% more miles than actual, you would show 1200 miles. You still burned 200 gallons but now the MPG is 6 due to the inaccurate odometer.

    If your odometer was rolling on 20% less miles than actual, you would show 800 miles. You still burned 200 gallons but now the MPG is 4 due to the inaccurate odometer.

    State A's IFTA per gallon is $.20

    In actuality you would owe $40 (1000 ÷ 5 = 200 x .2 = 40)
    In the too many miles example you would owe $40 (1200 ÷ 6 = 200 x .2 = 40)
    In the too few miles example you would owe $40 (800 ÷ 4 = 200 x .2 = 40)
     
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  3. jeffman164

    jeffman164 Medium Load Member

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    So if I change from a 11R22.5 to a 255/70R 22.5 LP with a 3.73 ratio I will be ok ? And I should change the speedo and odometer ? With the deck of truck - right behind the single axle it will have a step down so that the height is 32" .
     
  4. 25(2)+2

    25(2)+2 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    498 revolutions per mile for the 11R and 564 for the 255/70Ris what I was able to find. About 11.7% more than the 11R and about 9 to 10% more than the standard 22.5 LP sizes which were on my previous post.


    I'm looking for loaded radius and will edit that in when I find it.

    I'll list diameter instead; 42.3 for the 11Rs, 39.9 for the LP 22.5s and 36.6 for the 255/70Rs.
     
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  5. Hammer166

    Hammer166 Crusty Information Officer

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    No, the 255's are only good for ~10K per dual. The 275/70R22.5 we use on the steer are load range J, good for ~13.8K on the steer.
     
  6. jeffman164

    jeffman164 Medium Load Member

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    The load rating will be fine with the 255 /70 R's , but will my fuel economy drop significantly with the smaller diameter tires ( again 12.7 Detroit - 13 speed - and very light loads ) ?
     
  7. Lostkeys

    Lostkeys Heavy Load Member

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    Here is the tire calculation that I use:

    MPH=(RPM*60)/(TIRE RPM*GEAR RATIO*TRANS)

    Where:
    RPM=Eng RPM
    Tire RPM=Loaded tire RPM from the tire manufacturer
    Gear Ratio=Rear end ratio
    Trans=Final transmission ratio

    Generic tire RPM for the common tire sizes:

    [TABLE="class: MsoNormalTable, width: 96"]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 64"] TIRE SIZE[/TD]
    [TD="width: 64"]
    TIRE RPM
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 64"]
    LP22.5
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 64"]
    512
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 64"]
    11R22.5
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 64"]
    496
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 64"]
    LP24.5
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 64"]
    496
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 64"]
    11R24.5
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 64"]
    473
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]

    Final Transmission Ratios:

    [TABLE="class: MsoNormalTable, width: 96, align: left"]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 64"]
    Trans
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 64"]
    Ratio
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 64"]
    10
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 64"]
    0.74
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 64"]
    13
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 64"]
    0.73
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="width: 64"]
    18
    [/TD]
    [TD="width: 64"]
    0.73
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]






    I would buy the lowest rolling resistance tires that I could afford and drive slow. I would think that your right foot would have more of a factor in fuel mileage than gearing??
     
  8. 25(2)+2

    25(2)+2 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    I've never been around that size used as a drive tire, the ones we use on the step decks are inflated to 120 psi.

    They had a higher letter rating on them, again, we don't use them on the tractors at all. I don't like them, they are hard to find on some runs if you do need a tire. The caps have enough carcasses fail that I don't care for those at all, either.


    BTW, the 11Rs aspect ratio is 90 as opposed to 80 on the 275/80R / 22.5 and 75 on the 295/75R/ 22.5.

    The height to the center of the axle is about 3 inches less for the 255s than the 11Rs.
     
  9. jeffman164

    jeffman164 Medium Load Member

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    Thank you for your replys . Will be off puter for a couple of days huntin down trucks .
     
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