CSA 2010 disassemble it 1 inspection at a time

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by revelation1911, Mar 5, 2012.

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your personal prefrence for csa 2010

Poll closed Mar 25, 2012.
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    I don't care I'm a company driver

    11.1%
  2. I bend over full everytime they stop me

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    I try and avoid them

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    I would like to fight them but it seems useless

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    draw and quater ray lahood and scatter ashes to the wind

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  1. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    The DSMS is a component of the overall Safety Measurement System (SMS). The DSMS is personnel to assess individual drivers in the Behavior Analysis and Safety Improvement roadside performance data across employers do that. DSMS does not impact a driver's commercial driver's license (CDL). Neither dri investigation. Therefore, no Intervention Thresholds are in place for drivers.</


    Now for the paranoid or delusional I have your cure!

    Get to large stainless steel salad bowls. Drill holes through the center of the bottom.Place the bowls bottoms touching whith holes aligned and have friend or significant other secure with a rail road spike to your cranium(several sharp blows with a three pound sledge should do the job) . Eureka you will enjoy the protection from all government intrusion.
     
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    shredfit1 Road Train Member

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    Once again your missing the point, I'm well aware of what the FMCSA is telling us about CSA. I just don't buy it. They are collecting this data, that cannot be verified for accuracy via due process of the law.... and they are gonna sit on it forever... it means nothing? If it does nothing to ones CDL and will not do nothing in the future, what is the point? Justification for more gov't bean counter jobs?

    As far as the system of highlighting problem drivers/carriers... I see it as fine the way it is, let's face it... They will be caught, current FMCSA data even shows this, plus insurance companies are getting real picky on whom they will carry... as are bonding companies.

    Again:

    " If something waddles like a duck, has webbed feet like a duck and quacks like a duck, it may be a horse, but itÂ’s probably a duck. "
     
  3. TheRoadWarrior

    TheRoadWarrior rocking-n-rollin again

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    Taz the whole idea behind the CSA is for Law Enforcement to see your Points...Its not for public vewing...and im not freaking out over it cause i have O point O on mine...
     
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    Again, then what is the purpose of the DSMS? Will it stay this way forever? Could they implement the data gathered in DSMS for future enforcement? Gasp, they would NEVER think of doing this would they? Will there ever be intervention thresholds for drivers in the future?
     
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    TheRoadWarrior rocking-n-rollin again

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    The real problem is they are trying to fix something with the wrong approach. CSA..Elogs..HOS changes...they keep messing with it trying to control the industry with sometimes rules that are just out there... Soon they will want to just replace drivers with remote controlled trucks or heck do like the big carriers do and just put a driver in the sleeper and ship him and his truck and trailer on the Rail...
     
  6. Onetruckpony

    Onetruckpony Medium Load Member

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    Interested so replying to subscribe to this one.
     
  7. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    For the record I support (even though it is not being done now) a threshold for suspension of a drivers CDL privileges for failed inspections. What should that threshold be? I guess that would be up for debate but like speeding repeat and or serious infractions cost you your privilege.

    I can not fathom how people that see the half butted pre-trips, raggedy equipment, and know full and #### well there are lots of drivers and carriers that need to be removed because they are flat out dangerous. But let someone try and track their record to have a legal justification for their removal and everyone crawls up on a cross. I have gone on record and still believe based on my general observations 25-30% of trucks need removal and 30-35% of smaller commercial vehicles(dumps, cargo vans....) need to go as well. If you think your in that percentage that might be removed I would suggest raising your performance or finding another career that doesn't involve using highways my family travel on.
     
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    Couldnt agree more...Good post Tazz
     
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    There may be drivers and carriers that need to be removed but I don't think CSA is the way to do it. I think their perfomance will draw attention to them and GET removed all by themselves.

    I too see trucks that are questionalbe out there... but I wouldn't go as far as 25-30%... In fact, I see many more questionable/unsafe 4-wheelers out there than anything.

    Statistically, 8 out of 10 big truck accidents also involve a 4-wheeler... Perhaps if it was really about safety, they could mandate classes for 4-wheelers when they renew their license?

    Wanna remove all the bad trucks? Hold the truck owner criminally responsible for sub-par equipment sent out on the road(I don't care if he has 3 power units or 4000). I bet the trucks on the road would be all in top shape.... or they would be getting fixed.
     
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    Driver already has the power to keep subpar equipment off the road. I would agree except it is really hard to hold a man responsible whom is 2000 miles away and has no chance to inspect the vehicle you would hold him liable for. With CSA I believe it will show pattern disreagrd for maintenance, and unsafe policies.

    Don't make the mistake of believing I don't want four wheelers held accountable. When I advocate suspensions for speeding convictions I mean every one of every license class. At fault accidents with fatality? Lifetime revocation.

    This country makes it far to easy to obtain a license and then tries to mitigate the collateral damage. I advocate a reversed approach with graduated licenses, real driver education, and draconian penalties for violations. There is no justifiable reason anyone is ever killed or caused harm by another with a motor vehicle. Never there is no excuse.

    However we are not discussing new laws for four wheelers. Feel free to contact your state rep, and state senator to push for higher enforcement on four wheelers. Lord knows I drive my guy's nuts as well as the THP unit Commander that lives down hill from me.