Do you feel elogs should be mandatory or optional?

and i can agree, no one likes change, even from the horse and buggy to the "horseless carriage"

poor blacksmiths were all put of of work

but look at the extremes governments go to

smoking is bad, we all know that, and then they decided to ban it in restaurants, most will agree that was good

but now they say, you cant smoke in your truck.........TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT

logs were started to help drivers, now its hurting drivers ...............TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT

 

it's not the logs that are hurting drivers, it's not being able to "bend" your log book that is going to hurt. Keep in mind my stance is still optional and mandatory.

 

This is going out to the industry as a whole not just one driver in particular.

Okay I am going to say this regarding the E-logs (EOBRs).Throughout all of these pages of bickering back and forth the one thing I haveread over and over from the ones praising the E-logs is that they can park offof the property of a receiver and show they are taking their 10hr sleeper breakand then move the truck down the road to the said receiver and bump the dockand the computer never realizes they interrupted their HOS regulated sleeperberth break requirement. Therefore there are times you can legally violate theHOS regulations. If the computer allowsthis overlap then the whole system is unreliable. The E-log "GODS" on here atfirst was saying how it was all about "SAFETY" but since that argument wasproven to be unworthy now they are saying that they force drivers intocompliance. Well now it is proven that if you can move the truck after loggingto sleeper berth then the driver and truck are out of compliance... Thereforeit is now proven the push for E-logs or EOBRs has no ground to stand on and theargument should be moot. I think the real reason drivers like E-logs is that itallows them to be lazy and not think so much while logging. If you cannotfathom the thought of using a pen and paper than how can you be in control of an80,000 pound death trap? You have abrain for a reason so just because you enjoy being lazy, please don't argue infavor of the E-logs since they shouldn't be forced upon others that are not toolazy to use paper. If you want an EOBR than okay go buy you one but do not force it upon the industry. I say optional.....

 

Let me just point out I am just saying that this industry forces drivers to think on a daily basis and if you cannot think long enough to fill out a paper log book than obviosly you cannot think long enough to drive or control a vehicle in this industry. Maybe time to look for employment elsewhere.

 

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm, because *most* of those trucks belong to mega flleets and have poorly trained under qualified steering wheel holders behind the wheel ???

Am I right ?!?

 

Yup you sure are right on that one but also because the drivers are pushing the limit since they need money to feed their families and working for little pay for a mega carrier plus now running E-logs there really isn't a way for a driver to make it out there so they have to push the limit.

 

It gets back to my post a few pages back.....

If you don't know when its time to pull over you shouldn't be driving 18 wheelers..

*That applies when the weather is bad also*

 

how can you say its not hurting drivers? you may like it, maybe even 80% of the drivers, but you cannot speak for all drivers

even on this board, those who are against says it will hurt them, how can you say it wont? even those who have to drive "2mph to the shipper", it is hurting them (and the folks who have to drive behind them)

anytime you are forcing people to do a thing, there will be pain

 

The Ice has no mercy on anybody who gets on it. 4 wheeler, experienced big rig drivers and inexperienced drivers. Dosen't matter if you have paper or E logs. If you hit a patch of ice. You hang on and enjoy the ride. Especially if everybody else is crashing into each other.

Newton's first law of motion is often stated as

An object at rest stays at rest and an object in motion stays in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force.​

 

I think that in a nutshell the use of the EOBR's are supposed to 'force' us to be safer as a whole.
The deal is that some people routinely bounce the crap out of their paper logs, and that makes us all look bad when they get caught because after the story gets out that some poor trucker violated whatever rule, it makes the law enforcement people annnd the general public wondering 'who else is doing so'.
Paper logs give a driver more 'flexibility' (the means to cheat) when and if they want/need to.
And honestly, I believe there are some people who feel that by running paper & illegally, they're fulfilling some 'outlaw' fantasy desire of 'puttin one over on The Man'.
It's more difficult to cheat the EOBR's.
If I'm the owner of a small fleet of trucks and I have the ability to monitor the performance of my drivers, then I'm going to do it.
Simply put, we're all human and these days sadly enough, you can't just take someone's word that they're out there not abusing your equipment or costing you more than is what's reasonable.
Another point for the EOBR's.
I personally 'like' being able to track whatever I just ordered from an online retailer via UPS or whomever with 'upto the minute accuracy'. EOBR's are just an extension of that or the whole JIT cargo management
that so many out there are embracing.
We're all part of the industry and EOBR's are coming to just about everyone.

Roll on...