Does a DAC Report Include HOS Violations ???

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  1. x1Heavy

    x1Heavy Road Train Member

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    I find it interesting you choose to smile and chuckle at the occasional HOS violation experience.

    Most anyone who detects HOS violations on my part when I turn in bad logs, usually yell at me. With profanity and threats to fire me if I cannot make a corrected log for that time period in which violations are detected.

    Chuckle at the occasional HOS violations as if it is a comedic routine to be passed around for the amusment of DOT and FMSCA... yea right. That tells me your company must truly be a saint tolerating really serious ongoing habitual problems inside your organization if you allow your drivers the luxury of violating same without fear of losing their work and evidently without fear of prosecution by higher in our Regulatory Agencies responsible for enforcement against bad carriers who allow these things to happen.

    Maybe my thought and thinking is totally off base, I sure hope so.

    HOS violations are very serious and could result in OOS long enough to threaten your Companie's future relationship with the affected customer account and ability to continue to haul freight with same and make a living.

    ALL companies I have ever run for in my entire life time, keep a simple folder with my name on the tab. Inside that empty folder gets small notes of violations, service failures, preventable accidents etc basically anything that is negative. I remember one note submitted by a particular dispatcher who saw me leaving the 76 in frederick after a proper breakfast with two hours to spare for a 40 minute run to Baltimore and make my pickup appointment long before sunrise at the port there. A extra hour and 20 minutes on top of a 40 minute run plus another hour on hand for the meal, 20 minutes of which is actually consumed when you go by the time I fueled the truck that morning prior to leaving the yard.

    That particular dispatcher had become a little bit of a tattle talier, looking for problems where it does not exist. But regardless, one day that little note added with a stack of others was used in justification to fire me from that particular company. I know who that dispatcher is. But it does not matter, I still recieved unemployment with the state against this particular person when I was called on to prove that pickup was made on time or even two hours arrival early. So that made the case in my favor at the end of day.
     
  2. snowwy

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    I had a very thick bible folder of log book violations. By the office. I just threw em in the trash every time they came back. I mean, serioiusly. I passed inspection by dot. I don't know how the office can find something if dot couldn't. Minus the 2 violations i got. But those were for not being current.
     
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    When is the last time you got a ticket without a corresponding inspection? In some states they are now one and the same form. For example, Texas DPS officers will give you a combination ticket/inspection form printed a long three inch wide strip of paper. It looks like a receipt out of a cash register.

    And of course log violations result in tickets. I just had one age off my PSP report last month. False log has been a citeable offense for a lot longer than CSA/PSP has been around.

    Let me get this straight. You got two speeding notations on inspections, but no corresponding citations? Did I read that right? Buy lottery tickets son. Buy lots of them.
     
  4. snowwy

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    Yep. I've had 2 speeding with no citations. Only inspections. BECAUSE, the cops said i was going faster then what my GPS SAID I WAS GOING. In elko NV. You slow down to 65 through town. Cop said i was doing 70 when i passed the sign. I said NO. MY GPS SAID I WAS DOING 66. I knew it was coming up as i drive to california all the time. So i had the jakes slowing me down. He gave me an inspection and wrote speeding. He knew i would fight it.

    13 months ago. I got a wrong lane violation 40 miles from home. NO INSPECTION.

    Did i win the lottery?

    Cops don't always give you an inspection when giving you a citation. And they don't always give you a citation when giving you an inspection. There's NO rule that says they have to do both.
     
  5. Dave_in_AZ

    Dave_in_AZ Road Train Member

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    HOS violations go on your PSP if there is a citation / OoS order written.
     
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    Some may retain logs longer. It is their option.
     
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    They don't code it as an HOS violation. They call it "unsatisfactory safety record" or "company policy violation."
     
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    That's why I stated companies only "have" to keep logs for 6 months.
     
  9. x1Heavy

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    If you have a sufficient HD Camera that very precisely records LAT and LONG in real time so that it's speed prior to the Officer writing you a ticket. You can hold the ticket up to the camera for the record. Everything contained in that video will then be admissible in court including the GPS speed indicator inside the camera's data and GPS position read outs. At a very minimum the citation will be tossed when the entire court sees you drop to lawful or less prior to town limits and new speed limit sign against which you were written something....

    My suggestion to people is to pay up a few hundred dollars for a good camera that records everything in real time.

    A very long time ago when officers alledges that I was speeding on the TPike, all I needed to do was rotate the laptop screen to said officer's viewing pleasure and show that the GPS has continued to update it's current speed Zero, and location right here. And it flashes with the new speed update every 5 seconds. here, another zero mph....With prior speeds recorded going back (Oh look Officer, prior to you and I physically stopping on this shoulder you see my speed was 60. Governor shows 63 on the truck max all day. to the beginning of the new 10 hour workday driving. By the same token any speeding violations detected could theoratically be issued on this data. As are log book violations etc.

    Whatever the officer claimed I was at was essentially a fantasy number at this point or a literal reflection of another speeder and his vehicle?

    Officer let me go, no ticket for speeding. He did pull a sort of a lite on demand inspecition, CDL etc for wants etc.
     
  10. snowwy

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    Mine was 5 years ago. It's a gone deal now.
     
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