DOT Officially Floats HOS Changes That Would Alter 14 Hour Clock/30 minute Break

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Eddiec, Aug 14, 2019.

  1. Ridgeline

    Ridgeline Road Train Member

    Dec 18, 2011
    How many of you worked under the old 1962 rules that were changed in 2003?
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  3. Long FLD

    Long FLD Road Train Member

    Mar 4, 2015
    I did. We won’t get back to those. Everyone (Public Citizen, PATT, etc) wants us to have a clock and a schedule for our perfect world of driving trucks.
  4. Brandt

    Brandt Road Train Member

    Sep 17, 2012
    I did and look back how bad the drivers were treated back then. It was get the load delivered at any price. Log books did not even matter. I remember when the told us we had to match the fuel receipts within 24 hours. Basically the same day we fueled we had to log it sometime and driver got mad. Then it was within 15 minutesand drive said that crazy.

    The trucking companies did not care anything about log books. As long as you turned in a Legal log book that all they cared about. You could make 1,600 miles go away and make it look legal and the trucking company was ok with that. Untill the D.O.T did inspection at trucking company and said how come nobody is logging fueling at the trucking company terminal. When every truck is fueled when it pulls in.
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  5. TallJoe

    TallJoe Road Train Member

    Apr 12, 2016
    These are proposed changes. Nothing official yet,
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  6. Mid-May Trucker

    Mid-May Trucker Road Train Member

    Oct 23, 2018
    Short haul are the clear winners here if it gets approved.
  7. Crude Truckin'

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    Oct 22, 2016
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  8. x1Heavy

    x1Heavy Road Train Member

    Mar 5, 2016
    White County, Arkansas
    13th Amendment takes care of the Employer Slave Labor and another section say that employment is "At will" by you or your employer. It will be different in the Union Hall.
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  9. buzzarddriver

    buzzarddriver Road Train Member

    Feb 1, 2011
    Dallas, TX
    Me, for the old rules pre 03. Actually worked better for me.

    As for the 30 minute break, it stays but it can be part of on duty-not driving, so it is not really a break.
  10. Studebaker Hawk

    Studebaker Hawk Road Train Member

    Oct 18, 2010
    NW Indiana
    If the pre ' 03 rules were so bad and dangerous, someone will have to explain to me why "non property hauling carriers" (motor coach drivers) are still using the same rules.
    That is somehow those rules are fine for up to 56 human souls on board, but too dangerous for 1 person in the cab of a tractor hauling a load of paper towels.
    I operated fine under the old rules, from 1976 until 2003. Were there abuses? Yes. As the level of enforcement increased incrementally over the years until the ELD 2017, and now the 2019 AOBRD deadline, it has become clearer and clearer that the HOS rules were the culprit, not the recording or enforcement methods.
    I distinctly remember Annette Sandberg who was head of the FMCSA under the Bush Administration touting the new 14 hour window in 2003. Her reasoning was 14 hour window combined with 10 hours of "deep restorative sleep" equals 24 hours, so the all important "biological clock" would not be disturbed, totally ignoring the realities of modern life and trucking needs. Or the differences between the biological needs of different humans.
    It only took 16 years to realize the mistake, and at least another 2-3 to correct it from now. So for 20 years a government regulation caused undue hardship and maybe more than a few deaths. But impossible to quantify any of the damage.
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  11. 25(2)+2

    25(2)+2 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2006
    the road less travelled
    It breaks up the drive to stop for fuel, then you need to find a place to park for the 30, less wouldn't hurt, imo.

    I do mostly regional multi drop so the flexibility is something I have been complaining about since late 2005.

    I just missed out on the old rules.
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