How many books do you use

Loose leaf logs...have looked everywhere in the books, said nowhere in them that logbooks have to be bound in month books. Loose leaf works for a lot of drivers.

I only use 1 logbook a month, sleep everynite, 14 max hrs during the day. Just try to run legal, less gray hairs.

The 14 hour rule I do not agree on, but it's the law.

 

No, he gave me a choice. When he was going thru my book, he looked up and he asked me,
"Hey, Boy, When did they move St. Louis 250 miles closer to Denver?"
It was pretty funny, but I was younger then and I will admit that I was pretty terrified.

He gave me a choice, he said I could pay a $1000 fine or else shut down for 24 hours.

I decided to shut down, and he allowed me to hitch a ride out of there to the flying J so it wasn't too bad. One of the good guys, I guess.

 

Or, you could just pull a dry box

 

I bet it was priceless

 

I am not sure I understand but if you are saying if you log "off duty" during your day that it extends your 14 hour, that is not true!

The only way to extend your day is to have 8 hours in the sleeper.

If you are logging 7.75 hours as off duty or sleeper it is still counting against your 14 hour clock and will not extend it.

If I do a pre-trip # 8:00 am that means my 14 hour is up # 10:00 pm.

I can then drive 6 hours be stuck # a shipper logging 15 minutes on line 4 and then 7.75 hours in the sleeper (proper way to log, SLEEPER or ON-DUTY) that means I currently have a total of 14 hours and must stay shut down for # least 8 hours (another 15 minutes) and that 8 must be in the sleeper and consecutive (no line 1,3 or 4).

I guess we highjacked the thread in a way but sometimes drivers don't read the other threads thinking they know the rules when in deed they don't always know. So good thing sometimes I/we high jack

Link me to what you are reading and I can maybe see what you are thinking or what it is talking about.

 

There is no regulation that doesn't allow you to lose leaf. It is totaly legal to do so.

It is legal to combine months in one log book!

All DOT states is that you have the previous 7 days worth of logs and today should be CURRENT to your LAST duty status change.

KEEP THEM LOG BOOKS CURRENT! One of the first things they will be looking at when they pull you over!

 

Ok I found what you said in FMCSA's site in the FAQ section. But there was a section that my wife found (I can't find it right now and she's sleeping) that you go to line 1. and flag it "Off Duty Not Driving" regarding delays in loading ect...
There have been a few occasions where I show up for an appointment on time but I don't get loaded until two or three hours later. Basically I'm told to just "hang out" or do whatever until I can get loaded. That sort of puts a crimp in the duty day if say I started a 6 am, drive to a plant and arrive at 7 am and have to wait until say noon to get loaded. By the time the load is secured and/or tarped, it's 1 pm or later depending what's going on. So at that point, 7 hours of the duty day have gone by and ideally I'd have 6 hours to drive but that's a perfect world which we don't live in. I have come against that scenario several times. I had a load that had to go over 1200 miles in 2.25 days which part of it was going through SoCal traffic. There was no way that load could be done "legally" leaving Fontana on Monday afternoon and making a Wednesday appointment at 7 am in N/E WA by including the "wasted" hours waiting for the load.

I'd like to run clean and legal but some shippers' early am appointments in reality can become late afternoon. There has to be some leeway somewhere to allow for discrepancy caused by the shippers forcing the carrier to wait.

I'd appreciate your feedback logs

 

I found this in the FAQs pdf
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/documents/rulesregs/hos/hos-faqs.pdf

 

Ok, I talked to my wife this morning and I misheard her about the two hour "off duty" time
So yes, you log and flag that detention time but you can't "extend" the time past the 14 hours. But still, there are loads that require a driver to be there for pick-up at a set hour and yet the driver will sit for hours until they are loaded.

 

Ok here is the Question and Answer from the federal book

Question 4: Are there allowances made in the FMCSRs for delays caused by loading and unloading?

Guidance: NO. Although the regulations do make some allowances for unforeseen contingencies such as in §395.1(b), adverse driving conditions, and §395.1(b)(2), emergency conditions, loading and unloading delays are not covered by these sections.

I made the NO bigger l.o.l.

Anyhow when you are at a customer loading/unloading here is how you log it!

If you get there early! Go TO THE SLEEPER! Yes sleeper
If they tell you to get away from the dock and allow you to get in your truck! GO TO THE SLEEPER!
If they tell you that you have to watch them and count or help whatever! Log it on ON-DUTY
If they tell you to wait in the break room: Well time waiting to load/unload is on line 4. You wouldn't be in that break room if you wasn't waiting on them to load/unload you, right? Well then I would say it would need to be on-duty. However you might get by with telling the officer you was inside eating (then you would need to have permission from your company to log off duty while under a load/dispatch)

Really there is 2 status to be when you are at a customer: On-duty not driving (line 4) or sleeper (line 2). Now make sure if you are logging sleeper that you ARE in the SLEEPER! Relax, take a break, read a book whatever (no more suggestion on what to do).

The point to logging is you must log the correct duty status!

Now if you get held up 7 hours and you spent that 7 hours in the sleeper, see if you can stay 1 more hour until your break is up! If they let you, then you count over 8 hours from where your 14 hour was going to end and now you have until then to FINISH your 11 hours of driving. Stop and take a 2 hour break and boom you have a new 14 hour (but it starts from the end of the previous break, this case the 8 hour break). Another discussion which sounds like you need to learn split breaking.

Understand if you have anything less than 8 it will NOT extend or stop that 14 hour clock. But instead of taking a 10 when your 14 hour is up you only have to take 8 hours therefore it helps to make up for them few hours you was held up at the customer and your logging legal!

I rambled grrrr why do I do that. My fingers can't control themselves


Regardless if you was to log that 7 hours held up as lines 1,2 or 4 it's still counting towards your 14 hour. However if you aren't dealing with it and can go to the sleeper it # least saves on your 70 hour (legally might I add).

Yes I know the 14 hour rule stinks but if you all would learn how to split break you would realize it's almost like the "old" way of logging (well ALMOST!)
It's easy to!!! YEAP I SAID IT, IT'S EASY AS A PIE! YOU JUST HAVE TO LEARN FROM THE BEST , WAIT THAT WOULD BE ME. L.O.L. I am JOKING!