How much do you think this load might bring?

Also, just thinking, some brokers might depend on the same o/o's. But what if they have them already booked. And they have a deadline to meet on a load. Is they're a good way of telling if they are in panic mode?

 

Often enough that I see no reason to ever hook to a flat and work harder. It's not off topic. He doesn't book loads so he's not 100% sure what he's looking at, that's why he asked. I just compared apples and oranges, vans/flats, to show how poor of a rate that is on a flatbed load.. ..regardless what's available from KC. Assuming outbound options there can be bad. Always assume that and act accordingly until you know otherwise.....

 

They're human. They'll tell you. I think a mistake many make is the assumption"their lips are moving, they're lying" and have some mental block to everything a broker says. Comprehend what they say then play off that. Yes, we know they lie about the miles and of course they will lie about "that's all we got in it" but when they've had a long day you'll know it, pounce.. The most painful words they will hear at times is, nope sorry.. easiest thing to say in the world. If they are serious they will not let you hang up, but never back down. They are from the weak position, always. Regardless what BS you hear otherwise brokers and customers never set rates.

 

Just saw a infomercial, about chickens. I don't need to go insane, not yet,

 

You must have never been to Kansas if your looking for$3.50/mi on a 900 mile van load.

On a flat that run would pay $2.65-$3/mile

 

Not 900 miles but I've seen enough last minute $3-$5+ a mile van loads move up there on around 600 miles to know that it does happen. Haven't seen it in a while though. When I first started out I did take a load that paid around $2.20 gross to KC and quickly learned what a mistake that was. Don't know what the reload possibilities are local to KC for flats but for vans it's lousy. It was never my intention to veer so off track on the thread. Only trying to point out how low, imo, of a rate that was for a flat. As much as flat and van freight is different there are also a lot of similarities. I can't imagine doing any flat load over 300 miles for less than $3.00 a mile but that's just me.

 

Anything around or over 300 miles pays around $2/mi.

The load I'm pulling now 10 pallets 46,000lbs tarp load Evansville,IN to Houston,TX 885 miles what do you think it pays?

 

Have no idea but I do know a lot of cheap heavy stuff for vans comes out of the Evansville area.

 

Lanstar and sammons wouldn't come off $1,800 mercer offered $1,700 ended up doing it thru CRST he added $200 tarp fee that takes it to. $2.25/mi out of 37 loads I called on this was the best load....my point being broker freight never pays good if you think your going to move 800 mile runs for $2,400 it's not going to happen.

I price my broker loads at $2/mi plus fuel as freight paid $2/mi 10 years ago and I have lots of people that say I'm way to high on my prices

 

I'm telling you, you're flat out wrong. Running exclusively brokered freight I've done and do loads paying rates like that. I know of other guys who pull it off too, with vans. None of us EVER calls anyone to land a load with a good rate like that. Occasionally one might pop up with a rate like that and a person can call to grab it. You'll seldom get rates like that calling any brokers inquiring on loads. Every time I've landed a load like that it was from having my truck posted. My gross rate to the truck, that is before BBB's cut comes off the top, is $3.56 per mile loaded miles only. If I can do that with a van I can see no good reason why it can't be pulled off with a flatbed, and likely could run more miles and more easily get loads with rates like that. If you're pricing your flat at $2.25 a mile on longer hauls I have to believe they're loving that, of course they say it's too high, they'd say the same thing if you were pricing yourself at $1.25. As difficult as reloads are to be had in Houston outbound to other states, I would think it'd be a piece of cake many times of the year, to command some very profitable runs going down there from points up this way. That's just my O take it for what it's worth. It's an internet forum anyone can say anything. I KNOW what I can pull off and that's all that counts. Knowing what I do there's no way any broker would ever load my flat, if I had one, on any longer haul for less than $3.50 a mile. Now people can say, well, you'll never get any freight.. ..yeah I've heard that all before, and still get freight....