How would you log this?

You worry too much.....

 

Is the motel and job site in the same town? If so, all stops within the same jurisdiction can be consolidated, so you could just go on-duty not driving, flag it as pre-trip and stay on-duty until such time as you start driving outside of the town. If you never drive outside town, but accumulate some driving time throughout the day you would show the accrued driving time as one block just before you leave the town or go off-duty back at the motel.

Question 6: How should multiple short stops in a town or city be recorded on a record of duty status?

Guidance: All stops made in any one city, town, village or municipality may be computed as one. In such cases the sum of all stops should be shown on a continuous line as on-duty (not driving).The aggregate driving time between such stops should be entered on the record of duty status immediately following the on-duty (not driving) entry. The name of the city, town, village, or municipality, followed by the State abbreviation where all the stops took place, must appear in the “remarks” section of the record of duty status.

 

You get paid for driving that pick-up? I wouldn't even bother with it. You'll be opening a bag full of worms if you stand there and tell them it'd a CMV. I'd just say it's there for personal use and let it go at that. Do not use that advice for law. I'm just saying what I would do. If you are forced to flag the pre-trip then flag it. There is no other requirement to write that you did a pre-trip other than flagging your time. The post trip at the end of your shift is the one that can get you in trouble. That's the report that tells any new driver what kind of shape the truck is in. I hope you know all the rules on that one. You can also look at the 100 mile status to see how to log local driving. For awhile we had to run both the regular log then the local log. It's a PITA when you have to do two.

 

If you are just using it as transportation, I would just log the whole day on duty. If you are hauling product then you would log driving time.

 

Hard to say it is for personal use when it has company name and DOT numbers on the side. I am not trying to bring more hassle on to myself we just had a pickup get stopped before we had all the stuff on it and got some hefty tickets. Now the pickups have everything the semi does except a CDL driver, IFTA and IRP. They have the DOT numbers, fire extinguisher, triangles, commercial inspection, etc.

As to the pre trip I don't have to do anything other than what the law requires. I don't write pre trip on my logs just show the time I spent doing it. Hard to say you did a pretrip when you go straight from off duty to driving. As to the post trip I show time for that also but don't write anything unless I find a problem. Didn't Obammy do away with need to do a written post trip every day? My understanding is you only have to write if you find a problem.

 

When you are driving the pickup there is no need for a log book right? You are just doing this because you are getting into the Pete at some time. Maybe some of the guys from the hotshot forum can answer some of this because I certainly do not know the regs when it comes to pickups.

 

No I need a log book for the pickup also. Any vehicle or combo over 10k involved in interstate commerce needs to follow all the HOS stuff. The dually has a GVWR of 13k. If you are in your home state you don't need to worry about a log book until you exceed 26k but if you cross state lines for business purposes the limit is 10k. Years ago I got a no log book ticket in a 3/4 ton pickup pulling a 12' bumper pull trailer.

 

I would consider it personal conveyance. Off duty and don't worry about it.

 

^^This.

Question 26: If a driver is permitted to use a Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV) for personal reasons, how must the driving time be recorded?

Guidance: a driver is relieved from work and all responsibility for performing work, time spent traveling from a driver’s home to his/her terminal (normal work reporting location), or from a driver’s terminal to his/her home, may be considered off-duty time. Similarly, time spent traveling short distances from a driver’s en route lodgings (such as en route terminals or motels) to restaurants in the vicinity of such lodgings may be considered off-duty time. The type of conveyance used from the terminal to the driver’s home, from the driver’s home to the terminal, or to restaurants in the vicinity of en route lodgings would not alter the situation unless the vehicle is laden. A driver may not operate a laden CMV as a personal conveyance. The driver who uses a motor carrier’s Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV) for transportation home, and is subsequently called by the employing carrier and is then dispatched from home, would be on-duty from the time the driver leaves home.

A driver placed out of service for exceeding the requirements of the hours of service regulations may not drive a Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV) to any location to obtain rest.

https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/title49/section/395.8?guidance
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Not at all.

It also does not matter if you are getting paid for your travel time.

Question 10: How does compensation relate to on-duty time?

Guidance: The fact that a driver is paid for a period of time does not always establish that the driver was on-duty for the purposes of part 395 during that period of time. A driver may be relieved of duty under certain conditions and still be paid.

https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/title49/section/395.2?guidance
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I'd actually flag a post trip the previous day, and log it off duty, personal conveance until I got to the job site.

Driving from the job site to the motel iand back s the poster example for the use of off duty, personal conveyance.