Logbook rules

That is business related, logging necessary

 

That is business , not personal so on duty

 

No , bobtailing is not laden . Laden is loaded with the shipped product and other info shown on a required bill of lading . Bobtail would only be laden only if the truck itself was the load as in a sold truck being transported .

 

Ok here is a scenario: Loaded in Dallas with a multi drop load. First drop scheduled to unload at 1am. Receiver requires you to drop the loaded trailer while they shuttle and unload the trailer.You take a 10 hour break during the time they have your trailer. Since you are relieved of all dutys during that time you decide to go to walmart and do some shopping.{which is about 3 miles away}.

PC legal ?

I can see how some would say it is and some say its not.

And yea this is a load I do occasionally.

 

Legal ? Yes . Whether it is permitted by your carrier is another question .

 

Laden means you're under a load assignment and performing a work related task. What you do and don't have doesn't matter.

 

You even have to log driving a car to a drug test as on duty not driving. It's not personal conveyance because there is nothing personal about it. Performing maintenance whether you or a mechanic do it is a business dealing and will have a time stamp and invoice that can be compared to the logs. There is more to personal conveyance whether just laden or not. They just say you can't go to the store while laden mainly because drivers don't normally drive around while loaded. Driving from the truckstop to Walmart while loaded then continuing on is advancing which is one of the stipulations.

It boils down to work? laden? advancing? Any of them can destroy PC.

There's even an interpretation question about driving to a shop across state lines and they say it must be logged. Though he didn't say state line I don't see it much different.

The only exception I can see is if you drop your trailer at a terminal and bobtail home on PC. Then you bobtail back to the terminal on PC after your days off and put your truck in the company shop.

But that scenario is kind of redundant because a driver should have his truck worked on while he is off duty and have someone pick him up. That way you ain't wasting valuable time.

 

I'll believe that when I see the definition and source posted .

 

And I'll believe you when you do likewise.

Took me all but 2 seconds to find this on Google:

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regu...fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?reg=395.2&guidence=Y

It doesn't say anything about bobtailing, or having an empty. If you're headed to a RP in a CMV, that NEEDS to be logged as on-duty. Just because you've been doing it one way doesn't mean it's the right way, and a bobtail is STILL a CMV.

 

Here is the section and the link from the regs;

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regu...=395.8&guidence=y&keyword=personal conveyance



Question 26: If a driver is permitted to use a Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV) for personal reasons, how must the driving time be recorded?Guidance: When a driver is relieved from work and all responsibility for performing work, time spent traveling from a driver's home to his/her terminal (normal work reporting location), or from a driver's terminal to his/her home, may be considered off-duty time. Similarly, time spent traveling short distances from a driver's en route lodgings (such as en route terminals or motels) to restaurants in the vicinity of such lodgings may be considered off-duty time. The type of conveyance used from the terminal to the driver's home, from the driver's home to the terminal, or to restaurants in the vicinity of en route lodgings would not alter the situation unless the vehicle is laden. A driver may not operate a laden CMV as a personal conveyance. The driver who uses a motor carrier's Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV) for transportation home, and is subsequently called by the employing carrier and is then dispatched from home, would be on-duty from the time the driver leaves home.
A driver placed out of service for exceeding the requirements of the hours of service regulations may not drive a Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV) to any location to obtain rest.


This section should clarify the discussion. As stated you cannot use PC when a vehicle is laden; Bobtailing is not laden and in some cases even pulling an empty trailer "could" also be unladen (provided the driver is not under dispatch).