My experience running 100% legal, if anyone cares.

if companies pay hourly for load/down time waiting, wouldnt logging line 1 or 2 cancel this as you are basically saying you are done working for the day? I would think with a paper log or paperless/computer entry it would be hard to get around this since the clock times of the truck cpu and receiver's cpu entries or receipts/documents for unloading wouldnt match up with each other when compared, especially when submitting the loading/down time hours for pay???

 

Can't quote the rule exactly but it reads something like this: All time spent waiting to load unload or otherwise engaged shall be logged as on duty-not driving. Now you make what you want of it BUT if the BOL or the qualcom shows you arrived at 0800 and left at 11:45 that 3.75 hrs is ON DUTY-NOT DRIVING period. I used to show 15 minutes to load unload, etc but LEGALLY all time spent doing anything related to your job is on duty-not driving. Sure you can show going to the sleeper berth for the 3.75 hours,BUT remember in an audit if they want to they can and will call this falsifying a log. Everyone has their way to do this and every company for the most part has some sort of SOP, BUT this man is talking about doing the log book LEGALLY. Now I'm sure I'm gonna catch some flak about the above, BUT anything you do job related is on duty-not driving and if an audit team wants to they can nail you and the company to the wall for log falsifying plain and simple. Will they? Probably not. Can they? You bet. I notice several comments about shippers and receiver's will have to change etc. Who's gonna make'em? DOT,FMCSA,Companies. None can tell a company you have to do this or that. They're not subject to the FMCSA rules. AHHHHH. It's nice to be retired!

 

Today was an awful day! I started at 0345,pretrip, drove 298 miles to the address I was given in Miami. It turns out I was given the wrong address, I was told 19th AVE, should have 19th ST! That's a big difference in Miami! No problem, drove the 12 miles to right address, got there at 0900. Only to find out the company doesnt receive on the weekends!!! Well, bend me over, smack my #####, call me Sally! Now I am MAD! No one at my company knew that. (so they say, I wouldnt admit it either)
It gets worse! I had my next 2 loads planned on me already (which suprised the hell out of me). I had to give those up, 2500 miles ! And now I have to find a place to park till Monday nite. Closet place is only 8 miles away, but they want $12 a day to park there. Did I forget to mention Knight doesnt pay for parking fees? I called the human answering machine at Knight, I meant to type weekend dispatch, told them they could pay the $24 for parking or I could drive 107 mile one way to the nearest free truckstop. They thought $24 would be cheaper than 214 miles worth of fuel!
So here I sit till Monday, oh yeah, no layover pay (I have a load, only get layover if you dont have a load) and they want to fight me on detention pay. I dont know how they can fight me. I arrived at the customer at the time I was told to be there. It's not my problem that no one knew the customer wasnt going to take the load till Monday, right?
Anyway, total line 3, 5.5 hrs, total line 4, 1.25 hrs
total miles 308, total earned, $104.72 or $15.51
only 5.75 hrs on my 70 tommorow, but I wont be going anywhere so that's not an issue. In fact, I'll probably get a 34 hr reset before I deliver on Monday.
God, I LOVE MY JOB!!!

 

Oh, man, do I ever feel your pain.

Knight "didn't know" they don't receive on weekends? It's the dispatcher's bloody JOB to know things like that. I'd tell 'em to cough up the detention pay or tell me where they want their truck dropped off.

 

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Wrong. Sleeping is not job related.

 

You are correct about the all time logged, however, the I think (if I remember right) that if your company allows you to be released from responsibility in the dock, terminal, or at lunch for that matter; you may log off duty. That's right boys and girls, meals are to be on duty unless your company has released you from responsibility while eating. For a while every company used to give their drivers a letter authorizing just such off duty logging. **still can't remember where I put that stupid book! ( And yes I know it's online, just don't have the time to bang my head trying to find that passage)** Some state or another had gotten on a kick of writing tickets for off duty during the day unless the driver could produce that letter. So most carriers started passing them out in orientation.

 

Yes you are correct unless your company gives you release from responsibility ( which mine does ) while you eat your meals,take showers, etc.... then that is supposed to be logged on line 4 on-duty not driving.

 

.....which Knight did not, and has not done, which is why they got sued from a daycabber for breaking the law! All Knight had to do is have you sign the paper....

Back on semi-topic, I've had the same problem with a load before. But this time is was them being surprised that they were closed for a MAJOR HOLIDAY.

 

I have worked for companies that issued that letter to their drivers, so far, Knight has not done that. I did not realize that meal breaks had to be "on duty" unless relieved but I guess that makes sense.
And leave it to some chicken ####, with a z, state to write drivers tickets for something so stupid!