My experience running 100% legal, if anyone cares.

So basically if they say "go park and we'll call you on the radio" then let you sit for 5 hours you have to log it on duty. That sucks.

 

Not if you go to the sleeper while you are waiting.

 

No time specified when they say to go park.

 

G. SLEEPER BERTHS

G-1. May a driver spend part of his or her 34-hours of consecutive off-duty time in a sleeper berth?

Yes, provided the 34-hour period is consecutive and not broken by on-duty or driving activities.
G-2. If a team driver goes directly from 10 consecutive hours off-duty to the sleeper berth at the start of his duty period, can the sleeper-berth period be excluded from calculation of the 14-hour limit?

Yes. It would be a "...combination of consecutive sleeper-berth and off-duty time amounting to at least 10 hours" per § 395.1(g)(1). The driver would not be permitted to perform any duties, such as pre-trip inspections, prior to using the sleeper berth.
G-3. How does a driver who is utilizing the sleeper berth provision calculate his or her compliance with the 14-hour rule?

A sleeper-berth period of at least 8 consecutive hours is excluded from calculation of the 14-hour limitation. All other sleeper berth periods are included in the 14-hour calculation (unless part of a sleeper-berth/off-duty combination of 10 or more consecutive hours).

D. 14-HOUR DUTY PERIOD

D-1. May a driver be on duty for more than 14 consecutive hours?

Yes. A driver may remain on duty for more than 14 hours; however, the driver of a property-carrying CMV cannot drive after the 14th hour after coming on duty. Also, the additional on-duty time will be counted toward the 60/70-hour on-duty limit.
D-2. If a carrier allows a driver to log mealtime or similar activities as off-duty time, does that permit a driver to extend the 14-hour duty period?

No. Off-duty breaks during the day do not extend the workday to permit a driver to drive after the 14th consecutive hour on duty. However, time logged as off duty is not counted in calculating a driver's 60/70-hour on-duty limit.

 

This thread is hilarious.
I love all the geeks and nerds copying and pasting the rules.
TruckerDave knows he doesn't have to log all his time at the docks as on duty, he's upset he has to drive legal now. No more stopping at every truckstop and taking 20 hours to drive 500 miles and back logging it to make it look legal. Now he has to work a little, drive his 500 miles with just a couple of quick stops so that he can take a full 10 hour break. The full 10 hour break is wonderful.
I've been to shipper and receivers a lot, I log 30 minutes for loading or unloading (company policy) I suspect if ever a DOT officer came to a dock to see what line my log book was on, his wife would have to be felating me .
Now Knight trucks run about 4 mph faster then mine, we have to run legal too, and 3,400 mile weeks are possible. It take a little planning, a little effort and keeping the truck moving.

 

Let's get a few things staight! you dont know me or know how I run. I wont even bother to correct your ignorance! I dont have to explain myself or my motivations to you or anyone else! I explained my reasons for posting this thread with the 1st post.
Am I pissed off b/c I have to run legal? of course I am, but only b/c it means I wont be allowed to drive the miles I was used to running and I will miss the extra money! You are making statements about me that are completly wrong!
As far as logging my time loading/unloading on line 4, I think the facts presented by other posts prove me correct! you claim you are running 3400 mile weeks, and you might get away with that for a little longer, but get back to me when your company puts the clamp on you. It is coming. The only way to avoid it is to get out of the truck! So keep on trucking, but get back to me when you see your ability to make a viable living cut in half!

 

If a Driver is on a hourly wage I can see logging on duty not driving when at a dock, but I have an example that I'm pretty sure has happen to anyone who has driven OTR for a year or longer. I was assigned a Drop and Hook at Budwieser shorthly after unloading with the load going to Yuma,Az. I did a quick check on my hours and saw I had plenty to get at least halfway there and spend the night at home. Got to Budwieser at around 11 and got the news. Load wasn't ready. I waited a couple of hours and asked if the load was ready and it still wasn't. Then I asked for an ETA when it'll be ready. I was told not for several more hours and I asked if I could take my 10 hour break there. I was told yes and roughly 18 hours later the load was finally ready and I got paid detention for sleeping. Luckily there was a restruant and conveince store nearby.

 

Huh? I have been shot loads that while only being 300 miles, are completely undoble because of load times, drive times and delievery times. But Knight isn't a long haul company, Knight is a medium haul company, so while you might be running 3400 miles at 60, 62 mph, we don't for the most part have the longer runs.

For the most part.

There are ways to play with everything, you've found a good one to play with yourself.

 

Uuuhhhhh....

 

I love this thread also. Makes me wonder why anyone with any real time driving a truck would put up with this crap.

I have a lot of respect for real O/O's because they put their own money on the line so by all means, do what you need to do - I would do the same thing.

I suppose I did it at one time but there is no way I would run illegal logs as a company driver. Contrary to popular belief, the best paying company jobs run 100% legal logs. Wal-Mart, FedEx Freight, Con-way Freight, UPSF, ABF, car haulers, fuel haulers, and food service all run 110% legal.

My experience running legal looks like this.

Hook set - 20 minutes paid.
Drive - 158 miles paid.
Drop set - 15 minutes paid.
Dock - 4 1/2 hours paid.
Hook set - 20 minutes paid.
Drive - 158 miles paid.
Drop set - 15 minutes paid.
Fuel - 10 minutes paid.

These are not set amounts of time but are just an example of a typical night - we are paid to the minute. All the things above must match between my log and line-haul time card. There is no way to cheat it other than logging breaks on your drive time that were not taken which I don't do - if I log a break I took it. It could be from 8:51 till 8:54 but that legally logs as a break from 8:45 till 9:00 just as a hook between 8:53 and 9:07 logs as no time on line 4. I've been grilled in both Pa and NY for the "straight line hook" and it is 100% DOT legal when the time sheet corresponds with the log so I don't want to hear any truck stop lawyers challenge me about it - I write in the time on my sheet when I take a short break that logs as 15 minutes and if they check the ECM on the truck it will match. I've been over this with my company and DOT and it keeps me 110% legal.

Bottom line, unless your an O/O that has control over your own rates which determines your own financial future your out of your tree to run illegal for a company you have no vested interest in. The night I mentioned above pays me $180 driving and $130 on the clock =ing about $310 per night depending on how long I want to stay on the dock (sometimes I have no choice) and if I get a via. A via is going to a foreign terminal to drop or pick trailers which cuts my dock time but increases mileage and drop/hook time. All done with a 62 MPH truck.

As some others have mentioned, it is possible to make well over $400 per night running legal which I have done many times on 500+ mile runs - you just have to work at the right place. There would be more of these jobs around if people would not work for beans. When I started as an OTR driver I had no intension's of job hopping and staying in that segment of the industry. I had clear goals of either landing a good company job or being an O/O with clear business goals in front of me. I found LTL which would not work for everyone but it worked for me.

My advice, if you're not already in the industry stay away, if you are and have a good record, find an elite job. Otherwise, you'll top out at 50-60K per year risking your butt for a company. I'll make 80-85K this year running 100% legal and will make 90-95K next year on a longer run 100% legal.

Sorry for the length of this post but I hear so much mis-information on 19 about LTL line-haul drivers. I heard some dude (Prime driver) saying a FedEx Freight driver made the same as he did - yeah, before deductions dude. If you see a Con-way Freight, UPSF, FedEx Freight, or UPSF set on the road he/she is making well over 80K (so long as they have a little time in - 70% of Con-way drivers have over 5 years) per year running 100% legal.