Need advice- load is overweight

Not For Hire, you are correct, you are not required to have it in a permit book. But I keep the Copy of such law and an explanation of my APU in the Permit Book. Keeps a lot of people from asking questions. Required NO, Advised, YES.

 

The exemption is now 550lbs. Load Planners love to have you run the gross up to that amount. I try to avoid it all Costs. Anything at or over 80,000lbs cause more scrutiny. You will not get the PrePass most times, you will increase your chances of being pulled to the back and scaled axle to axle and that increases ones chance for an Inspection. Its not any of this that bothers me except for the LOSS OF TIME...Time is money.

 

So if I have 13k on my steers empty, I'm driving a illegal truck? I can have 14,600 on steers and be legal..with the right tires and axle.

 

if your steer tires and axle are rated for 14k then you can be up to 14k on your steers, you can have a 20k steer with floatation tires and put 20k on your steers as long as long as everything is rated for it.

it will go by your lowest rated componate of the axle assembly. ie you cant put 20k floatation tires on a 12k axle and expect to run your steers at 20k same goes for if you have a 20k axle but only put 12,600 worth in tires on it. then you can only be 12,600 even though you have a 20k axle. your steer is a single axle group witch allows a maximum of 20k. but limited by the lowest rated component of the axle

 

While there may not be a "Formal Permit" those that say you don't have to carry something are wrong. Flatbedn is correct.

Idle Reduction Technology (Section 1510)

Section 127(a)(12) of title 23 established a weight allowance of 400 lbs. in axle and gross weight for idle reduction technology. Section 1510 of MAP-21 amends section 127(a)(12) to increase the weight allowance for that idle reduction technology from 400 lbs. to 550 lbs.
Question 1: Is an auxiliary power unit (APU) considered to be idle reduction technology?

Answer 1: Yes. An auxiliary power unit powers equipment in the truck such as heating, air conditioning, lights, etc., when the engine is turned off, thus promoting reduction of fuel use and emissions.

Question 2: Is the 550 lb. weight allowance only for axle weight?

Answer 2: No. The 550 lb. weight allowance is for both the axle weight of the vehicle and for the gross weight. The total weight increase for the same load cannot exceed 550 lbs.

Question 3: Must the vehicle operator be able to show proof of the weight of the auxiliary power or idle reduction technology unit and that it is working?

Answer 3: Yes. In order to be eligible for this exception, the vehicle operator must be able to show: (1) written certification of the weight of the APU; and (2) that the idle-reduction technology is fully functional at all times by demonstration or by certification (23 C.F.R. 658.17(n)).



It's important to keep in mind the weight exemption is NOT a federal mandate. And that's what sucks. Individual states can choose to allow it and follow the exemption or not.

 

IF you'd actually read my posts, you would notice I did, in fact, post the requirement to provide certification of the APU weight. That still does not equate to a permit... which doesn't exist.

 

OK. I must have read something that wasn't there.

Let's stop playing semantics. Flatbedn never referred to it as a government or federal form. And it's not if "That any particular state MAY require an overweight permit when using" By regulation, IT IS REQUIRED. You also posted the old reg, which is outdated.

The requirement by MAP 21 stds, "Idle Reduction Technology" (Section 1510 that amends Section 127(a)(12), that state you must have (Carry) a "CERTIFICATION" and show such "CERTIFICATION" in order for the exemption to be valid.

 

Apparently you (like Flatbedn) don't know what a permit is.

And I notice you neglected to highlight this part of my post:

 

original poster: we all make mistakes and hopefully learn from them...now scale those heavy loads from now on!
also, i concur with others that 12,200 steers will be let to pass virtually everywhere, but going over the 80,000 gross is never ok, imo

 

Agreed BRY. I know what my truck/trailer weighs empty and we use two styles of trailers and that's with both tanks full. I always load with 2 or 3/8ths of fuel. Gives me plenty room to load, scale and then fuel appropriately. Shipper listed 40,007lbs. Scaled out and the load was actually 43950lbs. Grossed at 79,900lbs. I wrote the actual weight on the BOL and made 30 gal fuel stops. When asked why I write it on the BOL I merely say...When DOT asks I,ll tell em the BOL weight conflicts to the actual weight, IF THEY CHOOSE TO OPEN IT UP for Inspection so be it. Its always a game the Shippers play. Its the Drivers that pay for it.