Out of hours at shipper/receiver

Well let's be real honest then, the government teamed with BIG business, unions, rail companies, among moronic people that have "all the money" in this country, and a VERY VERY small pct of drivers have brought on this stuff. It amazes me that these morons that drive 1/10th of what we do every year can tell us how what our bodies are capable of and how much we are aloud to work to make money. What would happen if someone told them they could only work so much and that they were going to loose income? Hell would freeze over first.

 

WOW THREE DRIVERS WITH NO EXPLANATIONS OF WHAT I HAVE DONE OR WITNESSED......
WHERE IS YOUR PROOF THAT I AM B.S........
SINCE YOU ARE CALLING ME OUT I DO BELIEVE THE BURDEN OF PROOF LIES ON YOUR SHOULDERS........
OH THATS RIGHT YOU WERE NOT THERE .......
DO ANY OF YOU KNOW AN STATE TROOPER , AN US MARSHALL , OR AN DOT MAN......
PROBABLY NOT!!!!!!
MAKE AN PHONE CALL IF YOU SAID NO AND THE AWNSER THAT YOU GET JUST MIGHT SURPRISE YOU.....
YOU ARE AN COMMERCIAL DRIVER LICENSE HOLDER .... OR MABEY NOT.....
YOU SHOULD KNOW YOUR RIGHTS !!!!!!
FLAPPIN YOUR GUMS AND SITTING BEHIND AN LAPTOP DOES NOT IMPRESS ME AT ALL.....
DO THE RESEARCH AND YOUR HOME WORK.....
THERE IS NO SPECIFIC LAWS THAT YOU SPEAK OF THAT MAKES THE LAW SIGN OFF ON YOUR LOGS BUT IF YOU ARE SINCERELY OUT OF HOURS AND LEGALLY CAN NOT DRIVE THEY WILL SIGN OFF WITH BADGE NUMBER AND MOST WILL COVER THEIR BUTTS AND FOLLOW YOU TO AN SAFE SPOT OF THEIR CHOOSING OR YOURS.......
PROVE ME OTHER WISE WITH HARD COLD FACTS AND NOT JUST CHILDISH LITTLE COMEBACKS!!!!!!!

 

Sir you are completely wrong, you are the one who "flapped your gums" about having an officer, US Marshall, or DOT sign off your log..you are the one who needs to provide proof of your statements!

And yes I do know several DOT officers, and three US Marshalls, and many DOT officers..funny thing is that when I did ask them about this very thing...they all accused me of becoming a CB trucking lawyer...all talk and no law to back up the talk..just repeating the BS heard on the CB from old time BS'ers....and also you are the one flapping your fingers..(or should I say finger..one from each hand) on the keyboard trying to appear to have so much knowledge and experience with LEO and the rules and regulations of the industry.

As I said before..you the driver are completely responsible for any infractions, incidents, or accidents you and your vehicle encounter..nobody is going to sign off and assume resposibility for your bad planning, or excessive unplanned time used in loading or unloading! If you were reading this thread you would have seen one post that gives you the driver a way out of your HOS 14hr rule...."unladen can be off duty/driving to the nearest safe haven for break" LOOK IT UP, SINCE YOU ARE SO INFORMED I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO GIVE YOU THE CODE OR PAGE NUMBER TO FIND IT IN THE REGS!

HAVE A WONDERFUL NIGHT!

next time learn your grammar..it is "a" when preceeding a consonant, and use "an" when preceeding a vowel.with some exceptions of course...and "maybe" is spelled as I spelled it..not "mabey"

 

I would have to agree with the last post. There are provisions in the HOS regs for unforseen situations. This would fall under that. Just make sure you get the LEO's name and badge # for the incident. It's that simple.

If you dont move like the LEO asked you to you will be arrested and fired for being stupid. Just cover your arse and that is it.

 

no it wouldn't. if you're referring to extending your driving time by 2 hours for "encountering adverse driving conditions" to complete your run, this would not include running out of hours at a warehouse, since you're already parked, and not "running." adverse driving conditions are for unexpected weather or traffic. the only other exception is for "emergency conditions." I'm pretty sure that running out of time at the shipper would not be considered an emergency. sorry, but the excuse of "I was only breaking the law to avoid breaking another law" just isn't going to hold up in any situation.

 

The fact is, when they go to monthly electronic audits next year, none of this stuff will fly. It's all going to be on the driver no matter what and they are going to screw all of us as hard as they can to steal as much money as possible. They want to play it that way, I'm off to do something else.

Let the people find empty shelves, let their children go hungry, not my problem. But it will be theirs.

 

I was told at orientation of one of the big companies that uses QC for logs, pull out of their dock, but park on their property and let them know the company is sending someone to move the truck or a tow truck.

It is a tough situation, especially if they are going to close the gates, then they said to pull out of the gates and park, then they would still send someone.

The bottom line is common sense.

 

to answer the OP's question...

1)first, let dispatch know about the situation. inform them that you may have to drop the load and leave it at the shipper (if no other company employee can come move the rig for you as was suggested in the previous post.)

2)take a chance and leave the property and find somewhere, as close as you can, to park (parking lot, side of road, etc.) with the rig. or.....

3)drop the loaded trailer and bobtail out of the shipper. generally, you can bobtail "off duty" and not be breaking any laws. if the shipper tries to stop you from leaving without the trailer (after they've told you that you HAVE to leave,) contact the police and have them charged with attempted kidnapping. come back after your 10 hour break and pick up the load.

I've never had to deal with this situation, but don't let anyone intimidate you into doing anything dangerous or illegal. I'd rather be arrested for trespassing and spend the night in jail than leave in a 40 ton rig, have a wreck, and then be raked over the coals for manslaughter. and the excuse of "they made me do it" ain't gonna fly.

 

The emergency I am referring to would be the fact that #1- you are trespassing. #2- if you dont move you will be arrested. #3- you will be fired.

That to me sounds like an Emergency. The definition is vague and if a LEO orders you to move i would call that an emergency.

You guys are making too much out of this. There is no easy solution other than to do what common sense suggests, and if that fails listen to the LEO. If you go through the proper channels and a DD hits your truck while leaving under these circumstances than #1- You have the worst luck in the world. #2- You wouldnt have been there if the LEO didnt force you to leave. #3- You have the worst luck in the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A law suit under these circumstances would be interesting for sure. Have any of you na-sayers been in a court room? A jury would be very un ordinary to convict you in this case. As a matter of fact it would make history. Then again you do have the worst luck in the world!!!!!!!!!!!



BTW moving the truck to the nearest safe place to park doesnt mean driving two hours!!!!!!!!!!!!

Common Sense !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's not too common any more!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Winco warehouse in woodburn oregon is one of those places thats wont allow you to stay after unloading. Even tho they do have a rather large stageing area outside of the guard station. I have been there done this after being out of hours when finally unloaded, i had to go 5 minutes accross the freeway to the wal-mart and park, yes it even dangerous to do that as i might have gotten hit by a DD but what choice do you have when they tell you to leave or they WILL cal the cops? And unless your company files the papeers or the police do to get exactly what you did after you unload, driving for 5minutes after unloading isnt going to show up to your dispatcher. Quallcomm will only show you were in that same town, it might show idle time but thats it unless they get quallcom to provide papers to prove it.