Out of service for log book

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by Jasonar15, Jul 30, 2018.

  1. wore out

    wore out Numbered Classic

    Jun 5, 2013
    The breather hose going through the hood makes that a 359. All 379's go through the cowl
    Farther details add to the proof there hot rod
    Last edited: Aug 1, 2018
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  3. Jasonar15

    Jasonar15 Medium Load Member

    Aug 6, 2017
    Look like you woke up on wrong side of bed this morning instead of me! Lol
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  4. TripleSix

    TripleSix God of Roads

    Apr 10, 2009
    Copied in Hell
    I was wondering... did you know, that when @wore out said
    he was referring to the OPs driver, NOT your friend and mentor? There’s a huge difference between rolling a truck in a snowstorm, versus getting caught on restricted roads. It’s like the difference between a car hydroplaning and sliding off the road versus a DUI. Read it again, and read his responses after that. Wore wasn’t dissin your buddy.

    And you are wrong about OP’s driver. The whole thing about drawing the line all the way across the OFF DUTY boxes was pure lazy. And the restricted road stuff can SINK a small company. Both of them back to back IS nothing less than showing that the driver doesn’t really care about the job. The driver is sloppy. If he were my driver, I would check him. We would have to talk face to face.

    The boss isn’t asking him to do anything out of the ordinary. This is simple stuff that he should have learned when he was a rookie.

    “Well, maybe he has a lot on his mind.”

    I would fire a driver on the spot that said that to me.
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  5. speedyk

    speedyk Road Train Member

    Apr 8, 2015
    I am wondering if OP's company already has a local rep, the road violation was not that big of a surprise to the officer, and the driver had little idea how to fill out paper logs and winged it.

    When I started at an untied shoelaces company no one helped me with a 7-day when I left on my first run, or even told me I needed one. They have ELD's so we learned about those. I knew it from reading posts on here, looked up some examples, and did the best I could with an unclear understanding of why certain things were done.

    And didn't know how badly I got it wrong until I started with another company who had an actual driver as a trainer, not a desperate and much-fired individual filling a seat and wanting training pay.

    That actual driver went over the importance of making exact lines and notes, his looseleaf book had a little ruler for making them, and his instructions were exacting about placement and length. I didn't let that pen go one millimeter without asking first. He wasn't happy with the first one, so we did it again. And he got a form from the office to carry as well, stating that I had just started and hadn't driven the previous 7 days. They were way happy with my driving, ready to put me in a seat, but this was a huge gap, and I suspect it is for other new drivers.

    I am grateful I wasn't pulled over during my first week with the other company; even with the examples I had I was dead wrong in how I did that one, yet the terminal manager I showed it to said it was fine. What seemed to me to be superficial imperfections turned out to be very important, but no one up to then had told me so in clear terms. And told me why and how it can be willfully misinterpreted by enforcement.

    I suggest that the OP make sure his drivers are properly equipped and trained before sending them out to make money. Then he can spot potential issues arising and fill in gaps before they become real problems.

    To me, the fact that this driver left the terminal without a proper 7-day in hand is at least somewhat OP's fault. It's his name on the door. He also left without a briefing about routing, when it is likely that situation has happened before. There were ASSumptions made, and likely in the service of expediency.

    Ridgeline's answer was a diplomatic way of pointing this out, and it went whoosh.

    So we'll try a fast spitball.

    And, BTW, thanks to all of you experienced hands who take the time to try to help on here. You often help people that you don't even know about. I'm grateful to a lot of you. My first year hasn't been pretty, but I know right from wrong thanks to you.
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  6. Jasonar15

    Jasonar15 Medium Load Member

    Aug 6, 2017
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  7. spyder7723

    spyder7723 Road Train Member

    Mar 31, 2013
    sarasota, fl
    That is exactly my point. I wouldn't fire a guy cause he made a mistake, or even two of them. I would fire him because of the nature of the mistakes.
  8. Dave_in_AZ

    Dave_in_AZ Road Train Member

    May 4, 2015
    I don't know if your old enough to have seen it, but;

    When the "esteemed" members pile on with mountains of condescending BS, it always reminds me of that scene from Star Trek II where Ricardo Monteblan plays Kahn.

    All through the movie his flunkies keep telling him "Your's is a superior intellect."

    Right to the very end when he gets them all killed, then Kirk and Spock have hot dogs.
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  9. 06driver

    06driver Road Train Member

    May 28, 2017
    You go to Comicon don't you?
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