The Good, the Bad and the Crazy Im going with England

Discussion in 'CR England' started by Rattlebunny, Oct 24, 2009.

  1. lovesthedrive

    lovesthedrive R.I.P.

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    LOL try playing World of Warcraft on the wifi and see how long till they throttle you back. Fortunately Verizon wont throttle you.
     
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  3. Rattlebunny

    Rattlebunny Medium Load Member

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    ET,

    Just put in an online credit app with Warner in SLC. I don't have high hopes.

    The issue that I have with being a company driver for CRE is I can't sleep when someone else has my life in their hands. At least not until I trust them implicitly. It's one thing with a trainer ... no sure why ... and yes I know that it's 100% mental ... but then there's my wonderful personality. I don't think I'd deal well working the same truck as someone who was only interested in hanging out and doing just enough to get by ... it's not my style.

    I've been reading your other posts ... particularly your weekly recaps (love them btw) ... and you and I have pretty much the same philosophy. It's a job not a vacation. Vacations are spent on beaches with white sand and blue water ... not in a truck. :biggrin_25525:

    So, while I appreciate the advice ... and how I wish I could follow it ... I simply don't have that luxury. I gotta run ... gotta run it my way (as best as the company will let me).

    One last thing, and I'm sure I don't have to say it but what the heck, I'm not a total idiot. If something else other than CRE comes along ... I'll dive at it, but the indicators are all negative at this point. Virtually no one wants to hire a trucker from northern Maine these days ... even though I'm staying with Mom in southern New England (Go Pats!).

    As to the wireless options ... the lap top I have is wireless enabled and is pretty reliable in that regard. According to the website CRE drivers get free wifi at Fling-Jaa's (Flying J's for the rest). While this still remains to be seen, the same credit issues that will get my app with Warner Heavy Truck rejected will cause me to get rejected for both Verizon and Sprint at this point.

    On another completely different bent. Should I manage to make a lease work for me ... I will be starting with the 6 month walk away lease (I'm not completely off my rocker) ... the help to the credit report would be welcomed.

    My blog details the issues I'm having at the moment if you want some cheap entertainment. :biggrin_25525:
     
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  4. lovesthedrive

    lovesthedrive R.I.P.

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    How about a link to your blog?
     
  5. Rattlebunny

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    I can certainly understand that concern. I wasn't aware that you would be required to run team as a company driver. I wouldn't want to do that either.

    At least you have a good idea of what you are walking into. From what I gather by reading your blog you don't have to worry about CRE messing up your credit, so that will be one less thing to worry about I guess.

    I think you might have a rough road ahead, but who knows, maybe you will be one of the guys that make it work. I can only wish you the best of luck and ask that you keep us updated. Good or bad. All to often people come on this board with those intentions but fade away soon after.

    Make sure you check out the JCT thread also. If you are determined to lease a truck they seem to actually have something that works out for its' drivers. It is still an expensive option, but you'll be much better of with an outfit like that. At least they have the miles to keep their drivers moving. Of course they require 1yr OTR experience, but that will give you a goal. Just keep your driving record clean.
     
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  7. Rattlebunny

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    You're gonna laugh about this, but my ultimate goal when getting into trucking was to work for Crete. That's still a goal of mine, but for the time being I'm still looking with the school date (refresher course) with England looming in the distance.

    Won't lie to you ... I am nervous about this, but if I can keep running [Refer outfits can cripple you from the start] I might just pull it off. Remember my goal in all this is to get the experience that I need to get over to Crete with a clean record. I'm definitely not in this to get rich or to become the next master of whatever video game is proliferating the truck stops at this point.:biggrin_25525:

    Thanks for the support, and I'll keep this thread and my blog updated as best I can over the intervening time.
     
  8. TexasTruckDude

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    I've been with CRE since June 2009 to start things off.
    I've been driving for 4 years now, and it's been..(for the most part)..fun, rewarding, and sometimes very lucrative.
    Here are some observations and experiences for you.
    Arrived at the CRE training facility in Cedar Hill TX, and after the 3 day experienced hire orientation, I hitched a ride with another driver to their headquarters in SLC to pick up a truck and team partner.
    Make sure all is in order with your documentation when you arrive. Everything will be scrutinized, and you will be sent home for the slightest mistake on your app... if you forgot to put something down or maybe left something out on purpose...that sort of thing.
    I know the industry, and I know what freights like in this economy right now, so I declined the lease program and opted to become a company driver.
    Pretty painless in SLC. Met my partner who turned out to be a very cool guy, and off we went.
    First run was a hot shot to MD. Great miles, had fun.
    Pretty good checks for the first couple of weeks, but then the miles became very sporadic and scarce.
    We would get these great runs....maybe 2500 miles or so, but given 5 days to get there as a team?
    We were getting average solo miles at best.
    Be proactive! Trip plan and figure out when you can be there and call your DM and ask for the delivery appointment to be moved up. If it can't, ask if you can drop the trailer somewhere for another driver to take in....it's called a swap. Call the customer. Most pick-up and delivery appointments can be moved up and changed. Was kind of bitter that I was doing customer service work for the company, but it increased our mileage a far amount.
    Maintenance at the company shops are shoddy at best, had the same problem with the same truck for almost 2 months. 3 different shops "fixed" the problem to no avail......finally had to reroute...(at our expense)..to a dealer to solve the issue.
    You won't get paid for detention, time lost because of breakdowns, or a myriad of other things most companies reimburse you for.
    You will sit. We've never sat for more than 24 hours, but I've heard from other drivers that they've sat for days waiting on a load.
    Communication between the departments is bad to say the least. You will get 5 messages regarding the same load from 5 different people. I guess they don't talk with each other. Forget getting help after hours or on the weekends..........impossible.
    I was told by our DM that company teams have lower priority than lease teams.... thinking company drivers are on the way out eventually and they will go to an all lease fleet. Most lease teams consist of a student driver and a trainer. We can absolutely get a load somewhere much quicker than a team with a student driver as second seat. No offense to you guys, I was a rookie once also, but just a fact.
    If company, you will be paired with the first driver your DM can get his hands on......... geographical location doesn't matter. My partner is from Michigan and I live in Texas. He goes home and I run solo until he's back and vice versa. OK fine, but the logistics that go into that can get quite complicated and the odds are you won't get home on the exact days you want.
    I know the trucking industry is suffering as a whole right now. Every driver I talk to across the country is hurting, not just us.... freight is down across the board, fuel prices on the rise again. and the driver turn-around is crazy high right now. I'm fairly confident things will change...but how soon? At least I have a job right now, and making something at least.
    Leasing.
    Every lease driver I run into complains about barely making enough to cover their lease. And quite a few go into the whole weekly. Remember YOU are responsible for expenses related to the trucks operation.
    Most have to train to make ends meet because they can get paid team miles with a minimal payout to the student.
    Because of the lack of experienced drivers, your trainer will probably not have much more time behind the wheel as you. That can be scary to say the least. Use common sense, take your time no matter what you're doing and check and re-check everything!
    I'm lucky. I'm divorced with no children, my only bill is a cell phone and on the road living expenses, and I get a military pension every month. I can afford to do this until I figure out what do with myself post-army. The industry is in a major slump now and new drivers with ANY major carrier are not going to be making much money. I plan on staying for some time longer........ for me it's no big deal. But I do hope to work local again soon.
    Listen, I'm not bashing CRE even if it may seem like it. These are just things I've observed during my time with them. The other major carrier I worked for was far from perfect...... but freight was better then and the paychecks made up for it.
    The major carriers are pretty much the same across the board, it's just a matter of getting used to their politics and policies.
    Do not take any ####!
    Be respectful, be polite........but be firm. A new driver will be forced to to do things an experienced driver would never stand for. Your safety, your partners safety, and the safety of the 4-wheelers around you are YOUR responsibility. Don't drive tired even if the loads due asap. Don't cut any corners or do anything that you feel is unsafe. Your butt is on the line and nobody else's.
    Hope this helps.
     
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  9. Rattlebunny

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    When I started this thread I had decided to go to C.R. England and tough it out in order to get experience enough to move on. To that end I did the best I could to research while I was waiting for my training date to arrive.

    To say that my eyes have been opened would be an understatement. In other posts on this site I recommended that others here find out the facts before they passed judgment on a company. I have to say that I was wrong.

    Recently, I had the occasion to compare a lease from Stevens Transport (the one that I was going to sign almost a year and a half ago) and C.R. England. Unfortunately the donor refused to give me permission to publish the contract here, so most of this can be taken as hearsay.

    In reading the contract, and not getting into specifics, I have to alert anyone who is considering the lease with C. R. England to potential failure from the outset. It seems that, like with nearly all trucking leases, this company is not interested in protecting the interests of lease operators. The entire contract is written to the advantage of CRE.

    I didn't get all the way thought the lease, I was seriously put out by what I was reading. I can tell you this, if you decide to lease, you really need to go over your lease truck with a fine tooth comb. Any mechanical issues are your responsibility from day one. For example, though admittedly I didn't get completely thought the contract, tires are not prorated like they are at other companies. You should insist on getting tires the exact way they expect to receive them at the end of your lease. They will, I repeat will, charge you for the difference.

    There are a couple of things that you can try. But I doubt they'd work and might result in your being shown the door. First, get your vehicle inspection paperwork signed by the head of the lease department if you can. Cover your A^& and take pictures of the condition of the truck. Then e-mail these pictures to the lease department. IF they acknowledge the e-mail it is common for people to just hit the reply button. In some cases this can result in a complete copy of your e-mail (including photos in some instances) being returned to you with the reply. KEEP THIS E-MAIL it is almost better than getting it in writing in some states.

    I had also promised to keep people informed by updating my blog here detailing my adventures with C.R. England. Unfortunately, I can not in good conscience put my family in a position where I would be causing harm, financial or otherwise. For this reason, my blog will not reflect anything to do with C.R. England from this point on.

    Sorry, but that's how things are. I'll be around, but more than likely I won't be driving a truck for a while. For those that have been following my posts, thanks, your advice has been more than useful.

    I WILL NOT BE WORKING WITH C.R. ENGLAND NOW OR IN THE FUTURE.
     
  10. lovesthedrive

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    Thumbs up Rattle. Glad you realized before you got there.
     
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  11. theworldspinson

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    ok, I am about to leave england after 6 months with this joke of a company. The final straw was a check for a negative $1200, yes thats what I owe CR England so that I could have the pleasure of working for them last month, I have not been home in 6 months CR england openly acknowledges that I have worked past DOT regulations on mulitpule occasions trying to get loads delivered. was a trainer just to find out that I not only had to pay my own way but my students as well because they don't pay the students nearly enough. I litterally flew off the top bunk during my own training when the trainer hit the breaks suddenly and injured myself and couldn't report the issue. While in their schools I nearly passed out while trying to learn how to back the truck because of lack of water and breaks. have never had a lot lizard on my truck and no I do not hang out at truck stops as mentioned above I can't even take enough breaks to meet federal regulations. Now I have the fear of when I go to turn in the truck that they will find anything and everything to make sure I pay that much more. BTW I have no family and really don't have a life with nothing to lose they were still able to take everything from me. if you would like photos of my truck or some other proof of who I am feel free to ask but please STAY AWAY FROM ENGLAND they are the worst nightmire I have ever expiernced in my life
     
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