What would you do? Keep my truck or move to the new one?

rbrtwbstr · Jul 22, 2025

Brandonpdx said: ↑

Younger and cuter.
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Haha. Hardly

snicrep · Jul 22, 2025

201 said: ↑

Kind of a bittersweet post, while most here are glad you are keeping the WS, a smart move in these uncertain times, I'm sure we all hope for a speedy recovery, whatever a scapula is, it will probably bother you until you die. Coming from the Northwoods, where a chainsaw is more valuable than a good woman, if any, I've heard plenty of tree cutting accidents, and dropping a tree is always tense, they do strange things before they fall. Besides, no shame in the Star, I loved my WS, and not like you have to drive the company's spare Mack R model with no P/S,,,, good luck, pal.
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Shoulder blade.

Kyle G. · Jul 22, 2025

rbrtwbstr said: ↑

This may get a bit long, so be warned!

I probably shouldn't have used the word hate. More like a mutual dislike for each other.

It's a small company, only like 20 trucks. I've been here 15 years and it's been pretty good for the most part. Certainly not perfect but no company is. He's been here like 5 years now I think.

He's one of those guys that feels he knows everything, been there, done that. A genuine super trucker. And a failed owner operator. So He's running around running his mouth about how the boss (who's been successfully running this company 30+years) is doing everything all wrong, complaining to the customers about all their shortcomings on a regular basis. He's actually a good driver, a hard worker. But he can't keep his mouth shut about anything.

I don't profess to be perfect in any way. But I'm pretty darn good at what I do. I get along with the customers, and bring my A-game everyday. The customers see and know that. And the boss does too. So when there's a guy running his mouth about everything, and it causes trouble for everyone, it really irks me.

I made the mistake of befriending this guy not long after he started here. And pretty soon I was doing the same stuff he does. Complaining about everything, hating life, looking for a new job all the time etc. I typically have had the newest (and cleanest) equipment in the yard. So I caught grief about being an ### kisser and such, but brushed it off as good natured fun at the time.

Over the winter, I had an epiphany of sorts. I realized the schedule I was running wasn't the best fit for me and my family, and the boss had me on a sort of dedicated route nearly everyday. While it paid well, after a while it became rather boring. So I asked for him to change it up a bit, and he did.
So this other guy, who'd been running some of the longer runs and complaining nonstop about working so hard, gets put on this short run I was doing, and I moved to the longer runs. I figured everyone would be content with the change in pace and scenery. But after a week or so this guy calls me up, and spent the next hour on the phone just unloaded all his grievances about me. Called me everything but a human being. I let him vent, didn't care too much about it at the time. But when he started running his mouth to everyone else about what should have been between him and I, and basically trying to put everyone against me, I'd had enough. Fortunately, the customers, and our coworkers could see through his BS, and his plan backfired. They know my reputation and who I am, and didn't take the bait.

Funny thing, he was the loudest critic of this new truck. Said it was junk, it was ugly, yadda yadda. It was either him or me that was getting it. His truck was my old one, and it was getting long in the tooth. But he was adamant he was keeping it. Monday I was to take the new truck on its maiden trip, but I broke my shoulder, so he ended up in it. I'm sure he's not happy about it, but whatever.

So, I'm done with him and his games, and looking forward to getting back in my Starcar after I'm released to return to work, in probably a month.
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There is a guy like that in just about every crew

TripleSix · Jul 22, 2025

rbrtwbstr said: ↑

This may get a bit long, so be warned!

I probably shouldn't have used the word hate. More like a mutual dislike for each other.

It's a small company, only like 20 trucks. I've been here 15 years and it's been pretty good for the most part. Certainly not perfect but no company is. He's been here like 5 years now I think.

He's one of those guys that feels he knows everything, been there, done that. A genuine super trucker. And a failed owner operator. So He's running around running his mouth about how the boss (who's been successfully running this company 30+years) is doing everything all wrong, complaining to the customers about all their shortcomings on a regular basis. He's actually a good driver, a hard worker. But he can't keep his mouth shut about anything.

I don't profess to be perfect in any way. But I'm pretty darn good at what I do. I get along with the customers, and bring my A-game everyday. The customers see and know that. And the boss does too. So when there's a guy running his mouth about everything, and it causes trouble for everyone, it really irks me.

I made the mistake of befriending this guy not long after he started here. And pretty soon I was doing the same stuff he does. Complaining about everything, hating life, looking for a new job all the time etc. I typically have had the newest (and cleanest) equipment in the yard. So I caught grief about being an ### kisser and such, but brushed it off as good natured fun at the time.

Over the winter, I had an epiphany of sorts. I realized the schedule I was running wasn't the best fit for me and my family, and the boss had me on a sort of dedicated route nearly everyday. While it paid well, after a while it became rather boring. So I asked for him to change it up a bit, and he did.
So this other guy, who'd been running some of the longer runs and complaining nonstop about working so hard, gets put on this short run I was doing, and I moved to the longer runs. I figured everyone would be content with the change in pace and scenery. But after a week or so this guy calls me up, and spent the next hour on the phone just unloaded all his grievances about me. Called me everything but a human being. I let him vent, didn't care too much about it at the time. But when he started running his mouth to everyone else about what should have been between him and I, and basically trying to put everyone against me, I'd had enough. Fortunately, the customers, and our coworkers could see through his BS, and his plan backfired. They know my reputation and who I am, and didn't take the bait.

Funny thing, he was the loudest critic of this new truck. Said it was junk, it was ugly, yadda yadda. It was either him or me that was getting it. His truck was my old one, and it was getting long in the tooth. But he was adamant he was keeping it. Monday I was to take the new truck on its maiden trip, but I broke my shoulder, so he ended up in it. I'm sure he's not happy about it, but whatever.

So, I'm done with him and his games, and looking forward to getting back in my Starcar after I'm released to return to work, in probably a month.
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rbrtwbstr said: ↑

This may get a bit long, so be warned!

I probably shouldn't have used the word hate. More like a mutual dislike for each other.

It's a small company, only like 20 trucks. I've been here 15 years and it's been pretty good for the most part. Certainly not perfect but no company is. He's been here like 5 years now I think.

He's one of those guys that feels he knows everything, been there, done that. A genuine super trucker. And a failed owner operator. So He's running around running his mouth about how the boss (who's been successfully running this company 30+years) is doing everything all wrong, complaining to the customers about all their shortcomings on a regular basis. He's actually a good driver, a hard worker. But he can't keep his mouth shut about anything.

I don't profess to be perfect in any way. But I'm pretty darn good at what I do. I get along with the customers, and bring my A-game everyday. The customers see and know that. And the boss does too. So when there's a guy running his mouth about everything, and it causes trouble for everyone, it really irks me.

I made the mistake of befriending this guy not long after he started here. And pretty soon I was doing the same stuff he does. Complaining about everything, hating life, looking for a new job all the time etc. I typically have had the newest (and cleanest) equipment in the yard. So I caught grief about being an ### kisser and such, but brushed it off as good natured fun at the time.

Over the winter, I had an epiphany of sorts. I realized the schedule I was running wasn't the best fit for me and my family, and the boss had me on a sort of dedicated route nearly everyday. While it paid well, after a while it became rather boring. So I asked for him to change it up a bit, and he did.
So this other guy, who'd been running some of the longer runs and complaining nonstop about working so hard, gets put on this short run I was doing, and I moved to the longer runs. I figured everyone would be content with the change in pace and scenery. But after a week or so this guy calls me up, and spent the next hour on the phone just unloaded all his grievances about me. Called me everything but a human being. I let him vent, didn't care too much about it at the time. But when he started running his mouth to everyone else about what should have been between him and I, and basically trying to put everyone against me, I'd had enough. Fortunately, the customers, and our coworkers could see through his BS, and his plan backfired. They know my reputation and who I am, and didn't take the bait.

Funny thing, he was the loudest critic of this new truck. Said it was junk, it was ugly, yadda yadda. It was either him or me that was getting it. His truck was my old one, and it was getting long in the tooth. But he was adamant he was keeping it. Monday I was to take the new truck on its maiden trip, but I broke my shoulder, so he ended up in it. I'm sure he's not happy about it, but whatever.

So, I'm done with him and his games, and looking forward to getting back in my Starcar after I'm released to return to work, in probably a month.
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The Perils of Bringing the A Game
A Game Hate.
Understand completely. Made the mistake many times being nice only to get stabbed in the back. There wasn’t the 48 Laws of Power when I was young. Law 30 basically says to make whatever it is you do seem effortless. Lot’s of drivers complain. Every waking moment, they’re complaining. Complain about the job, about the boss…etc. I hide my cards. “I hate this, I don’t do this, I don’t go there.” Full on diva mode. My approach is different, “What’s it pay?”

Jake Metzger · Jul 22, 2025

I'd stick with the Western Star. Its got one of the best motors to be put into a class 8 truck and an 18 speed. I have always liked the 4900 Western Stars. They're heavy if that matters, but they were (in my opinion) the original wide-cab design. Long hood, real air cleaners, no aftertreatment headaches, hard to go wrong there. Tomorrow you could go to the Pete store and buy another one just like it, but that 4900 is the last of the Mohicans. Enjoy your time with it, its a good truck. The new Western Stars all have aluminum cabs based on the Freightliner Cascadia now.

D.Tibbitt · Jul 22, 2025

rbrtwbstr said: ↑

This may get a bit long, so be warned!

I probably shouldn't have used the word hate. More like a mutual dislike for each other.

It's a small company, only like 20 trucks. I've been here 15 years and it's been pretty good for the most part. Certainly not perfect but no company is. He's been here like 5 years now I think.

He's one of those guys that feels he knows everything, been there, done that. A genuine super trucker. And a failed owner operator. So He's running around running his mouth about how the boss (who's been successfully running this company 30+years) is doing everything all wrong, complaining to the customers about all their shortcomings on a regular basis. He's actually a good driver, a hard worker. But he can't keep his mouth shut about anything.

I don't profess to be perfect in any way. But I'm pretty darn good at what I do. I get along with the customers, and bring my A-game everyday. The customers see and know that. And the boss does too. So when there's a guy running his mouth about everything, and it causes trouble for everyone, it really irks me.

I made the mistake of befriending this guy not long after he started here. And pretty soon I was doing the same stuff he does. Complaining about everything, hating life, looking for a new job all the time etc. I typically have had the newest (and cleanest) equipment in the yard. So I caught grief about being an ### kisser and such, but brushed it off as good natured fun at the time.

Over the winter, I had an epiphany of sorts. I realized the schedule I was running wasn't the best fit for me and my family, and the boss had me on a sort of dedicated route nearly everyday. While it paid well, after a while it became rather boring. So I asked for him to change it up a bit, and he did.
So this other guy, who'd been running some of the longer runs and complaining nonstop about working so hard, gets put on this short run I was doing, and I moved to the longer runs. I figured everyone would be content with the change in pace and scenery. But after a week or so this guy calls me up, and spent the next hour on the phone just unloaded all his grievances about me. Called me everything but a human being. I let him vent, didn't care too much about it at the time. But when he started running his mouth to everyone else about what should have been between him and I, and basically trying to put everyone against me, I'd had enough. Fortunately, the customers, and our coworkers could see through his BS, and his plan backfired. They know my reputation and who I am, and didn't take the bait.

Funny thing, he was the loudest critic of this new truck. Said it was junk, it was ugly, yadda yadda. It was either him or me that was getting it. His truck was my old one, and it was getting long in the tooth. But he was adamant he was keeping it. Monday I was to take the new truck on its maiden trip, but I broke my shoulder, so he ended up in it. I'm sure he's not happy about it, but whatever.

So, I'm done with him and his games, and looking forward to getting back in my Starcar after I'm released to return to work, in probably a month.
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Cant say i blame you there. I cant stand people like that either. Some of us just wanna show up, do the job to the best of our ability and go home with a fat stack of cash... Others it seems drama and nonsense runs their life. Cant imagine living that way. But for what its worth we got guys like that at my company. I avoid them like the plauge.

D.Tibbitt · Jul 22, 2025

TripleSix said: ↑

The Perils of Bringing the A Game
A Game Hate.
Understand completely. Made the mistake many times being nice only to get stabbed in the back. There wasn’t the 48 Laws of Power when I was young. Law 30 basically says to make whatever it is you do seem effortless. Lot’s of drivers complain. Every waking moment, they’re complaining. Complain about the job, about the boss…etc. I hide my cards. “I hate this, I don’t do this, I don’t go there.” Full on diva mode. My approach is different, “What’s it pay?”
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This the book u talking bout ? Think ill get me a copy..

TripleSix · Jul 22, 2025

D.Tibbitt said: ↑

This the book u talking bout ? Think ill get me a copy.. View attachment 563714
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Yes. There’s videos and podcasts that cover it completely. Great for driving. Usually, it’s applied to corporate settings (hugely popular in prison settings), but IMO, it applies well in our industry.

Another one you might consider is “No More MrNiceGuy” by Dr Robert Glover.

MACK E-6 · Jul 22, 2025

rbrtwbstr said: ↑

This may get a bit long, so be warned!

I probably shouldn't have used the word hate. More like a mutual dislike for each other.

It's a small company, only like 20 trucks. I've been here 15 years and it's been pretty good for the most part. Certainly not perfect but no company is. He's been here like 5 years now I think.

He's one of those guys that feels he knows everything, been there, done that. A genuine super trucker. And a failed owner operator. So He's running around running his mouth about how the boss (who's been successfully running this company 30+years) is doing everything all wrong, complaining to the customers about all their shortcomings on a regular basis. He's actually a good driver, a hard worker. But he can't keep his mouth shut about anything.

I don't profess to be perfect in any way. But I'm pretty darn good at what I do. I get along with the customers, and bring my A-game everyday. The customers see and know that. And the boss does too. So when there's a guy running his mouth about everything, and it causes trouble for everyone, it really irks me.

I made the mistake of befriending this guy not long after he started here. And pretty soon I was doing the same stuff he does. Complaining about everything, hating life, looking for a new job all the time etc. I typically have had the newest (and cleanest) equipment in the yard. So I caught grief about being an ### kisser and such, but brushed it off as good natured fun at the time.

Over the winter, I had an epiphany of sorts. I realized the schedule I was running wasn't the best fit for me and my family, and the boss had me on a sort of dedicated route nearly everyday. While it paid well, after a while it became rather boring. So I asked for him to change it up a bit, and he did.
So this other guy, who'd been running some of the longer runs and complaining nonstop about working so hard, gets put on this short run I was doing, and I moved to the longer runs. I figured everyone would be content with the change in pace and scenery. But after a week or so this guy calls me up, and spent the next hour on the phone just unloaded all his grievances about me. Called me everything but a human being. I let him vent, didn't care too much about it at the time. But when he started running his mouth to everyone else about what should have been between him and I, and basically trying to put everyone against me, I'd had enough. Fortunately, the customers, and our coworkers could see through his BS, and his plan backfired. They know my reputation and who I am, and didn't take the bait.

Funny thing, he was the loudest critic of this new truck. Said it was junk, it was ugly, yadda yadda. It was either him or me that was getting it. His truck was my old one, and it was getting long in the tooth. But he was adamant he was keeping it. Monday I was to take the new truck on its maiden trip, but I broke my shoulder, so he ended up in it. I'm sure he's not happy about it, but whatever.

So, I'm done with him and his games, and looking forward to getting back in my Starcar after I'm released to return to work, in probably a month.
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I keep to myself at work for the most part for exactly the reasons you and Six outlined here. I’m to the point now where I pretty much won’t talk to anybody until they prove themselves to be not lazy and stupid.

TripleSix · Jul 23, 2025

MACK E-6 said: ↑

I keep to myself at work for the most part for exactly the reasons you and Six outlined here. I’m to the point now where I pretty much won’t talk to anybody until they prove themselves to be not lazy and stupid.
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The other day, on the way home, I was asked to pick up a driver who was broken down and bring him to yard. Driver attempted to push buttons by starting a conversation with controversy. I don’t have buttons.

Have you ever been a slave?

“No, but…”

No…(Silence. Anything other than yes is stolen valor.)

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