When arguing over a McDonald’s fillet of fish lands you a trip to jail

You could take one for the team and ask for date to confirm

 

Call Deuce Bigalow, American Gigolo.. He'll get to the bottom of it all!! He's skinned plenty of mudcat before, man's a real warrior..

 

Nope, I am 100% correct! Yes, that woman needs an attitude correction, but the caselaw is absolute when it comes to ID. One of the primary guiding case laws is the 1968 U.S. Supreme Court decision in Terry v. Ohio.

I have already posted 2 videos on this subject, along with a good analysis of the Terry decision here. There is a ton of material on the internet if anybody is interested. You are allowed to have an opinion, but your opinion is NOT my fact!

 

So I guess when an officer Is dispatched to a domestic/public disturbance he's not allowed to identify the actors involved.. yeah that's not how it works friend...I'm sure her lawyer advised her of that fact.. she pled to the charges..she obstructed a police officer engaging in an investigation..end of story. ..you're referencing a completely different scenario.. moving on...

 

I want to add another video. YES, this is one of those anti cop YouTube channels. I also think in some ways, people are baiting cops for payouts later. I in NO way support this activity. This happened in Texas a few years ago. What I want anybody interested to do is pay close attention to what is happening at the 8:30 point when the supervisor arrives on the scene. Then pay close attention to the IA interview of the arresting officer starting around the 13:30 point of the interview.



I have had this conversation several times with friends who are either currently active or now retired cops. One told me several times now he has had people refuse to identify in situations like this. He said he gets a photo of the person and if possible, the make and model of their car along with the Tag number.

 

NO! The evidence is in the video. That woman was NOT committing a crime. There is no language in the video up until the time of the arrest for failure to ID where the woman was asked to leave. The manager was getting the things she asked for, and the situation was calm when he asked for ID.

 

I posted a link to this thread as well as a direct link to the YouTube video, to a Facebook group I am part of late yesterday afternoon. I was back there just now and took note of a reply that disagreed with my take, but I found to be interesting. His point was that we don't have enough information to say one way or another. We don't know who made the call to the cops. We also don't know if the manager told the woman to leave before the cop got there, and she refused to leave. These questions change the dynamics. So, as to this video, I am going to say undetermined because there is not enough information. This person did go on to say this woman was 100% obnoxious and rude with a sprinkling of entitled. His question, though, was did her actions reach the level of being criminal? This we may never know because there is not enough information we are not 100% sure who the actual complainant was. Unless, of course, I missed something said in the video.

I'm a retired trucker. I doubt many people in these boards have not encountered a rude server in their careers. I have had my run-ins with many of them. I was in the Petro near Birmingham, Alabama, one afternoon almost 2 decades ago. The server ignored me. I got up, took about 2 steps walking toward the c-store when she yelled "where the (redacted) are you going?" I held my peace and later spoke to a supervisor. got comp'ed a meal.

I once watched a black female server reach through the food delivery window from the kitchen and grab a black male cook at the fish hook in Pearl, Mississippi. Both were fired.

 

Hmmm...now that would be a heck of a story.....I would probably end up getting arrested with her ......for driving me crazy

 

When it reached the point that the establishment wanted her removed, then she at that point was required to identify herself because she was committing a crime..

 

Would you be so kind as to identify a point in the original video where the owner or the agent of the owner said the words "Please Leave." When it comes to trespass, this is one of the elements of the "crime." Then the person has to refuse to leave or leave and then come back for the 2nd element to kick in and make it criminal trespass. What I saw, and I have watched that video 3 times now, was a manager who started fixing the sandwich. In fact, from the moment the manager started fixing the sandwich until the cop started demanding ID, the situation was calm.

Now, as I stated in post #27, we don't know what was said that was not recorded. As far as I know, no footage of the situation is available before the cop arrived. It is for this reason that I am stating "undetermined because there is not enough information." I will say this, though. If all that cop wanted was an ID for a report, Federal caselaw is clear: you as a cop can't demand ID, you can request ID, but you can't arrest and jail for failure to ID.

Because almost all of the members here are truckers, we all know and understand that the ID laws are a bit more complex because the trucking industry is heavily regulated by both the Feds and the states. This can cause some misconceptions. The thing is, unless you are operating a motor vehicle, you are under no legal obligation to even carry ID with you when out in public. Years ago, back when Keri's first husband was stalking her, I was outside my apartment wearing shorts and had no ID. A neighbor had already called the cops. I was in the process of giving a Hampton, Virginia, officer my statement when he asked for my ID. I said I did not have my ID on me, he said Just tell me your name and address, that's all I need. That police department did a fantastic job, and not too long after that, her then-husband was no longer a problem.

With the above said, I am out of it. I think we have beaten that horse to death, and I see no further need to keep beating it.