Trucking in North America vs around the world

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    as for being sensitive, yes it looks bit suspicious for me also, in italy 2/3 of country never had snow.
    however north part of italy is heavily industrialized and companies frequently travel to austria germany or switzerland which are covered with snow. so far i did not heard anything bad about it they make them for 4years. if you deal with heavy haulage you will most likely avoid to drive to italy as their laws and permits are complicated so most of their loads are done by their companies. this manufacturer is far highest quality in italy altrough they dont make largest trailers.

    here they give 26450 lbs for each axle with such suspension, same as with independent mcpherson, double wishbone or pendel. they require more maintenance than air suspension. usually pendel provide like twice longer tire lifetime than air suspension, (it is not rare that 245/70R17.5 make 185k miles), this should be also for this type of suspension as it is always aligned perfectly.
    as for load, in italy they do lot of things over law....i guess they will keep right with their "normal" things.

    btw such trailer cost like 170.000€ before this steel crazy times.


    such trailers can have pendel axles too, it depends what customer wants
    you have:
    -air suspension forced steered (22050lbs)
    -hydraulic suspension on rigid axle (22050lbs)
    -mcpherson (26450 lbs)
    -double wishbone (26450 lbs)
    -solo scopic (26450 lbs)
    -pendel (26450 lbs)

    OK, modular is other thing, once you go there, you count permits in hundred thousand dollars.
    but some european pendel trailer arrived into north america, for example wind blade hauler cannot work without pendel.
     
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    i know for it, tried to calculate numerous trucks.

    how wide trailer has to be in order to be considered as dual lane?
     
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    how heavy is your trailer?

    how heavy is 13 axle combination with rgn? i head there was one brand of trailer which were highest in terms of quality and lightest and now make only for their own fleet and that it could be 80k empty and drive without overweight permit.

    pendel has 2ft of axle travel or even slightly more, nooteboom makes 70degree turn on pendel.

    here mechanical would not work and we are not that weight conscientious

    i mean hydraulic and oscilating for traction, that way you save lot of weight if you have truck without ballast weight.

    switzerland have quite difficult laws for heavy haulage, 6x6 or 8x6 tractor can haul 165t if pulling semitrailer and 145 if it pulls drawbar trailer.
    so when you remove 20t from ballast and add 5t for neck, you actually lose 15t from 145....so tractor with modular is must have

    this comes as a problem due bending moment, it is huge in trailers when you want to transfer weight on tractor, but they dont have other option
     
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    man comes with egr+dpf technology, add early water cooled egr, that was being used on salty roads, 2 turbos. this is going to be way more expensive to run than fix straight forward issues with clogged adblue

    i dont know how good is part supply for mb and volvo (since it is actually rebranded renault, not real volvo).

    here you buy volvo fl if you cant aford mb or man. it is like 25% cheaper than mb.

    as for atego vs man, 12t atego is mostly on 19.5 wheels, 22.5 as option. they come now with 5.3t front axle and 11t rear axle as series. there is low frame atego which is basically upgraded 10.5t version, it is on 17.5 wheels. 10cm lower and in average 370kg lighter. it was popular in germany because up to 12t they did not had to pay toll, so you had extra payload over normal 12t version.
    dont expect you can overload it heavily.

    while man 12t is mostly tgl, tgm is more expensive any nearly no one opt for it. but even if you compare apples to apples atego is far more superior in building quality and durability

    as for power, mb engines in atego of this age were very lazy, even for mb standards. they always come with short transmission to reduce number of gearshifts. it is quite often to see truck that revs close to 2000rpm at 90.
    most are 4cyl. if you work on short this is OK. but if you drive long, it would be nice to find 6cyl with long axle ratio.
     
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    i dont know for a single scania that has it going trough axle, that is very expensive here but it is must otherwise i would rather go for semi cti
     
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    well it is cheaper to make.

    in sweden they make armoured cabs for scania from inside, you can barely see it is protected except smaller windows with fake black part. they claim they are being less attacked as they dont look agressive, dont know if this is true or opposite
     
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    Oops.

    Well, according to my dealer 480 is still the best when it comes to fuel consumption.

    But there are upsides aswell, you know how much complete steel bumper costs for XF? 150 euros..
     
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    great price, painted?
     
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    Nope, primed only. But the body prices for Daf are so low (and we are speaking about OEM prices) that it makes no sense to repair any body parts. Just replace and paint.
     
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